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Out of interest...what do people here think of when they say "God"?? Because I think a lot of people picture God as this being, this entity, who is all judgmental and whatnot. But God is beyond entities, or beings, or whatever else. How do you even explain a concept like God? How can we even begin to grasp something that is so infinite, this energy that just creates all the time. This energy/consciousness that we are expressions of. I think people make God sound like an entity, because infinity and that creative energy (the Creator) is too abstract for humans to ever understand. How can you possibly understand something that has no beginning and no ending....like numbers, which can go on and on forever...It's soo trippy, infinite possibilities! And space is also super interesting, because it's something yet nothing! Just like God. Because space is an expression of God. :ohyeah:

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Out of interest...what do people here think of when they say "God"?? Because I think a lot of people picture God as this being, this entity, who is all judgmental and whatnot. But God is beyond entities, or beings, or whatever else. How do you even explain a concept like God? How can we even begin to grasp something that is so infinite, this energy that just creates all the time. This energy/consciousness that we are expressions of. I think people make God sound like an entity, because infinity and that creative energy (the Creator) is too abstract for humans to ever understand. How can you possibly understand something that has no beginning and no ending....like numbers, which can go on and on forever...It's soo trippy, infinite possibilities! And space is also super interesting, because it's something yet nothing! Just like God. Because space is an expression of God. :ohyeah:

 

very interesting, and to be honest i dont have a idea of what i think God is, because like ive said before I dont believe its real.

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Out of interest...what do people here think of when they say "God"?? Because I think a lot of people picture God as this being, this entity, who is all judgmental and whatnot. But God is beyond entities, or beings, or whatever else. How do you even explain a concept like God? How can we even begin to grasp something that is so infinite, this energy that just creates all the time. This energy/consciousness that we are expressions of. I think people make God sound like an entity, because infinity and that creative energy (the Creator) is too abstract for humans to ever understand. How can you possibly understand something that has no beginning and no ending....like numbers, which can go on and on forever...It's soo trippy, infinite possibilities! And space is also super interesting, because it's something yet nothing! Just like God. Because space is an expression of God. :ohyeah:

He is indescribable. It says it in the bible. He is outside of time and any concept because he made them all. It seems really weird but you know when He is with you.

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God laid down the laws of what is right and wrong.

 

Murder is wrong. Murderers belong in prison.

 

Therefore, people that go to prison for murder, belong there. Although I do agree that we tend to throw a lot of people in prison for useless things (drug addicts, going to prostitutes, etc.) While I don't agree with drugs or prostitution, I think we should legalize weed and prostitution, because it's ridiculous to throw people in prison over that. Nobody was really hurt.

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Meh, I simply think God is the father of Jesus and is the ultimate of all things. Not that I believe in it, just what comes to mind :)

 

When you get to talking about the Trinity, then things get a bit wonky. God is made up of the Father (God), the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. All three persons are one God and all three are the same being.

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I think we should legalize weed and prostitution, because it's ridiculous to throw people in prison over that. Nobody was really hurt.

I disagree. Weed is known to cause people to loose motivation and is a gateway to bigger drugs. Also people blow weed smoke in their babies faces to get them addicted. Weed is nothing but trouble.

As for prostitution, the spreed of STI's and STD's would sky rocket and on a moral scale I think its horrible. Its also a major sin.

I hope both never become legal

 

 

Also, to further what sirbenedictvs said.

The trinity is all in one. God is God.

Jesus is God in the flesh, where we can see his power, to witness the full/raw power of God would disintegrate you. There is a story in the bible of that happening to someone.

And the Holy Spirit/Ghost is God in spirit, where we can physically feel and experience his power.

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When you get to talking about the Trinity, then things get a bit wonky. God is made up of the Father (God), the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. All three persons are one God and all three are the same being.

 

haha Christianity, any religion really, can get so confusing after a while :D

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Does Christianity exist ? answer = yes

 

Do you believe there is a God, thats up to you as an individual to choose.

 

Whatever your beliefs, as long as you live a morally decent life, and respect other people, that should be socially acceptable.

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Does Christianity exist ? answer = yes

 

Do you believe there is a God, thats up to you as an individual to choose.

 

Whatever your beliefs, as long as you live a morally decent life, and respect other people, that should be socially acceptable.

Social acceptance and living a life for God are two different things though, if thats what your getting at?

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I was a Born Again Christian for almost three months before certain... discrepancies between scriptural text and the things I was hearing in church caused me to do a little digging of my own into the history and mythology of the Ibrahamic faiths. Now I'm more or less in the Gnostic camp, since it's the only way I can reconcile any kind of western faith with my own upbringing, experiences, values and knowledge.

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Great. I just got here and already I'm double posting, but this got my attention:

God laid down the laws of what is right and wrong.

 

Murder is wrong. Murderers belong in prison.

 

Therefore, people that go to prison for murder, belong there. Although I do agree that we tend to throw a lot of people in prison for useless things (drug addicts, going to prostitutes, etc.) While I don't agree with drugs or prostitution, I think we should legalize weed and prostitution, because it's ridiculous to throw people in prison over that. Nobody was really hurt.

Weed is a tricky one. I actually know people who have been addicted to it but that's beside the point. Medicinal marijuana in capsule form is hunky dory but smoking it is right out. Namely because you never know what the dealer put in that crap and inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for your lungs. Pretty much all illicit drugs are harmful to the user and possess little to no beneficial qualities that can't be gained with legal, non-toxic substances. Also, addiction (to anything) is completely life destroying. Then again, alcohol and tobacco are both legal so I guess the powers that be either don't care or have no idea what the hell they're doing.

 

As for prostitution... believe me that a lot of people get hurt over that. It's a black market commodity, which means that it is totally unregulated and as a result, sex trade workers often face horrendous working conditions, violence, etc. Two of my best friends and one of my old girlfriends were prostitutes; they lived lives I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I would recommend taking a look at the works of Victor Malarek, specifically his books The Natashas and The Johns. He unveils a lot of nasty truths about the illicit sex trade industry. I'm not sure why prostitution is still illegal in the U.S. and Canada, since all the arguments against legalization suck. While legalization would likely make the industry safer (due to regulation and the application of labour laws), organized crime isn't likely to easily release its death grip on the trade. Unless of course, it became the de facto method of laundering money, which would once again put a black mark on the world's oldest profession.

 

The only half decent argument against legalization that I can come up with off the top of my head would be that, logistically speaking, not so much open a can or worms as a can of horrific eldritch abominations from the farthest reaches of the cosmos, but don't get me started on that shit.

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Social acceptance and living a life for God are two different things though, if thats what your getting at?

 

One's faith to their God has lead to the murder of millions. Who cares what or who you believe in, it doesn't matter when you live a moral and humane life. Whether you live a good life for God or man, that is what the goal of morality is. Still a devout Catholic myself, I believe that people of other faiths are still seen positive in the eyes of God because they are living by good morals.

 

Everybody thinks that they are doing God's will, although it may seem different to others' eyes. During the Inquisition, the Vatican at that time believed that the torture and execution of heretics was God's will. Radical Islamists today believe that killing unholy infedels is the will of Allah. My point is, living a life for God is subjective.

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That's what really hacks me off about the whole thing. Anyone can claim to know what God's will is but when they start contradicting one another, you really start to wonder if any of them are right? If Jesus had possessed the good sense to stay in his grave he'd likely be spinning in it.

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Weed is a tricky one. I actually know people who have been addicted to it but that's beside the point. Medicinal marijuana in capsule form is hunky dory but smoking it is right out. Namely because you never know what the dealer put in that crap and inhaling any kind of smoke is bad for your lungs. Pretty much all illicit drugs are harmful to the user and possess little to no beneficial qualities that can't be gained with legal, non-toxic substances. Also, addiction (to anything) is completely life destroying. Then again, alcohol and tobacco are both legal so I guess the powers that be either don't care or have no idea what the hell they're doing.

 

I think there are plenty of people that smoke weed, and don't get addicted. My friend Matt, for one.

 

It's like an alcoholic. Should we ban all alcohol, because there are some people that can't control themselves and become addicts? How about sex? There are plenty of sex addicts, as well.

 

Which leads me to this....

 

As for prostitution... believe me that a lot of people get hurt over that. It's a black market commodity, which means that it is totally unregulated and as a result, sex trade workers often face horrendous working conditions, violence, etc. Two of my best friends and one of my old girlfriends were prostitutes; they lived lives I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I would recommend taking a look at the works of Victor Malarek, specifically his books The Natashas and The Johns. He unveils a lot of nasty truths about the illicit sex trade industry. I'm not sure why prostitution is still illegal in the U.S. and Canada, since all the arguments against legalization suck. While legalization would likely make the industry safer (due to regulation and the application of labour laws), organized crime isn't likely to easily release its death grip on the trade. Unless of course, it became the de facto method of laundering money, which would once again put a black mark on the world's oldest profession.

 

The only half decent argument against legalization that I can come up with off the top of my head would be that, logistically speaking, not so much open a can or worms as a can of horrific eldritch abominations from the farthest reaches of the cosmos, but don't get me started on that shit.

 

I'd argue that legalizing prostitution would make the industry a LOT safer, and would help these women instead of hurting them. And yes, I'm aware of everything you posted, which is why I'm pro-legalizing prostitution. It would protect these women, and make their jobs a lot safer.

 

If it was up to me, I'd ban prostitution outright. But on the other hand, there are honestly guys out there (not me) who can't get a woman UNLESS they pay for it. In that sense, it's either depression over loneliness, or being arrested for paying for it. Kind of a bleak prospect.

 

And not all these guys are bad people. I know quite a few of them. One of my friends is a perpetual virgin, and he's 26 years old. Constantly striking out.

 

And not every escort service is like that. Some are actually quite safe, both for the "johns" and for the "hookers." The difference is that those tend to run more expensive than the typical streetcorner thing.

 

I can't believe we're having this discussion. :lostit:

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One's faith to their God has lead to the murder of millions. Who cares what or who you believe in, it doesn't matter when you live a moral and humane life. Whether you live a good life for God or man, that is what the goal of morality is. Still a devout Catholic myself, I believe that people of other faiths are still seen positive in the eyes of God because they are living by good morals.

 

Everybody thinks that they are doing God's will, although it may seem different to others' eyes. During the Inquisition, the Vatican at that time believed that the torture and execution of heretics was God's will. Radical Islamists today believe that killing unholy infedels is the will of Allah. My point is, living a life for God is subjective.

I get what you mean by good morals.

But people will see blasphemy as being socially acceptable, whereas its truly a sin.

As for all the people torturing others, people have been misinterpreting the bible since it was first written. Im sure that anyone with half a working brain is going to know when theyre not living by Gods will.

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I disagree. Weed is known to cause people to loose motivation and is a gateway to bigger drugs. Also people blow weed smoke in their babies faces to get them addicted. Weed is nothing but trouble.

As for prostitution, the spreed of STI's and STD's would sky rocket and on a moral scale I think its horrible. Its also a major sin.

I hope both never become legal

 

 

Not to divert the topic but my god your so wrong. Your making some wild generalisations right there, actually made me laugh. For a start, Weed is somehow seen as this gateway drink, this is wrong. The media projects this image of it being so but studies show that actually it doesn't. You are better being addicted to weed than alcohol or cigarettes. Alcohol and cigarettes are a bigger killer, and actually studies show that alcoholics become addicted to drugs way more than people going from weed to cocaine for example. Stop the generalisations, its not intelligent.

 

As for prostitution being legalised, i personally am all for it. Because places where there is prostitution like Amsterdam work quite well, they are regulated and the police have full control over the districts, know exactly who is who. Sti's are only ripe if the idiot doesnt wear a condom. And all sex workers wear them, i studied sex crimes at university and every sex worker including those being forced to do it (traffiking) said they use condoms. So yet again another generalisation.

 

For example, in my country. Prositution is illegal, however because it is illegal the police dont know what is going on and only have vague ideas. And because of this, pimping and traffiking are a very serious issue in our country right now.

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I get what you mean by good morals.

But people will see blasphemy as being socially acceptable, whereas its truly a sin.

As for all the people torturing others, people have been misinterpreting the bible since it was first written. Im sure that anyone with half a working brain is going to know when theyre not living by Gods will.

 

There is no one true interpretation of the Bible. If there was there wouldn't be so many Christian denominatons. There wouldn't be Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, etc. There would only be the original Catholic church, after the Romans destroyed the Coptic order. Apparently, everyone is blaspheming.

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There is no one true interpretation of the Bible. If there was there wouldn't be so many Christian denominatons.

Your logic is kind of twisted right there xD. The fact that there are so many Christian denominations is not because there's no a true interpretation of the Bible, but because there are a lot of false interpretations of th Bible.

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Your logic is kind of twisted right there xD. The fact that there are so many Christian denominations is not because there's no a true interpretation of the Bible, but because there are a lot of false interpretations of th Bible.

 

Having said that (mentioning the many false interpretations), tell me what the one true interpretation is then? 'Cause there's got to be one

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Having said that (mentioning the many false interpretations), tell me what the one true interpretation is then? 'Cause there's got to be one

I don't know dude. I'm just correcting your fallacy xD

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I don't know dude. I'm just correcting your fallacy xD

 

In my defense, I was making a notion to the fact that every single denomination of Christianity believes that they are the true belief and all others are misinterpreting the bible. Make sense?

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In my defense, I was making a notion to the fact that every single denomination of Christianity believes that they are the true belief and all others are misinterpreting the bible. Make sense?

Yeah, you're forgiven xDD!

 

By the way, some Christian denominations aren't divided because a different interpretations, but they're focused in some threads over others. But I agree with you in that point.

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Yeah, you're forgiven xDD!

 

By the way, some Christian denominations aren't divided because a different interpretations, but they're focused in some threads over others. But I agree with you in that point.

 

 

Oh yeah for example the main difference between the Anglican and Roman Catholic church is political. The Anglican's head is the king of England but much of the traditions and ceremonies remain the same.

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Not to divert the topic but my god your so wrong. Your making some wild generalisations right there, actually made me laugh. For a start, Weed is somehow seen as this gateway drink, this is wrong. The media projects this image of it being so but studies show that actually it doesn't. You are better being addicted to weed than alcohol or cigarettes. Alcohol and cigarettes are a bigger killer, and actually studies show that alcoholics become addicted to drugs way more than people going from weed to cocaine for example. Stop the generalisations, its not intelligent.

 

As for prostitution being legalised, i personally am all for it. Because places where there is prostitution like Amsterdam work quite well, they are regulated and the police have full control over the districts, know exactly who is who. Sti's are only ripe if the idiot doesnt wear a condom. And all sex workers wear them, i studied sex crimes at university and every sex worker including those being forced to do it (traffiking) said they use condoms. So yet again another generalisation.

 

For example, in my country. Prositution is illegal, however because it is illegal the police dont know what is going on and only have vague ideas. And because of this, pimping and traffiking are a very serious issue in our country right now.

My friend smokes weed. I saw him go from such an intelligent boy with loads of motivation and potential to a person who blew off school, ran away from home and had no motivation to anything what so ever. Plus I never said anything about alcohol, I hate alcohol and wish we never had it because it does ruin lives I know.

Weed burns something like 40 times hotter that smokes, and causes throat cancer a lot quicker.

 

Im mainly against prostitution because I think is morally wrong and disgusting.

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