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#21 Álmok

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 07:44 PM

well..Im Ahlam,im muslim that's mean i believe in God and i do pray everyday 5times in a day
and umm idk really what i have to say but for the people who ask about The Prophet Muhammed
i guess here u'll find everything u want to know Prophet Muhammed!


 


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Posted 22 April 2011 - 09:22 PM

well..Im Ahlam,im muslim that's mean i believe in God and i do pray everyday 5times in a day
and umm idk really what i have to say but for the people who ask about The Prophet Muhammed
i guess here u'll find everything u want to know Prophet Muhammed!


Do you cover your hair? What are your thoughts around covering ones hair? I know there has been a ton of discussion about it.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 12:42 AM

Do you cover your hair? What are your thoughts around covering ones hair? I know there has been a ton of discussion about it.


I think I can try to answer this one, I have a lot of muslim friends. In the muslim religion, hair is seen as something sexual, or something that provokes desire and so women wear it covered up for the sake of modesty. This is also why a lot of muslim women cover their legs and arms, too.

According to my muslim friends, a women does not *have* to cover their hair; it is kind of like taking a bigger step towards God/Allah and some women aren't ready for that. So that is what I know! But don't take it from me haha. I'd love to hear more clarification on this, and I think wearing a hijab is sooo fascinating. In fact, I wouldn't mind wearing one either - but to me, hair isn't something that needs to be covered up so there would be no point for me. :P
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 03:09 PM

Do you cover your hair? What are your thoughts around covering ones hair? I know there has been a ton of discussion about it.


Yup i do cover ma hair for me its not a big problem it's a religious thing plus i live in a community where all the women do cover their hair, some people think the women who cover their hair thy live in unopen minded families but that's untrue and really covering ur hair is not a big problem at all!

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 01:31 AM

@Karen, yeah I know the basics as well too. I was just wondering specifically if Dreamzy did. It's similar to why Jewish women cover their hair after marriage as well. We are also big on the modesty things.

@dreamy. Awesome! I was just wondering because I know their are women who feel bothered by it. But I think it's great that you are able to do it with ease. I am so happy to know that their are women who feel like it is no big deal. I feel like western culture has made it into this whole big women's issue. It's shouldn't be.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 01:56 AM

I can see why people would want to make it a women's issue, and yeah I am sure there are some Muslim women that don't like covering their hair or wearing a Burqua. I think the burqua is a totally different thing though - that IS oppression in my eyes, but again, I haven't talked to a muslim woman to find out. I think that people make premature decisions without actually asking the people that it effects.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 03:52 AM

I can see why people would want to make it a women's issue, and yeah I am sure there are some Muslim women that don't like covering their hair or wearing a Burqua. I think the burqua is a totally different thing though - that IS oppression in my eyes, but again, I haven't talked to a muslim woman to find out. I think that people make premature decisions without actually asking the people that it effects.


I agree Karen! In my eyes, burkas are oppressive. The few Muslim women I have spoken to have agreed. Most do like the hijab do, many even find them beautiful and love wearing them! I worked with a muslim woman who had the most beautiful lace hijabs!

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:27 PM

I agree Karen! In my eyes, burkas are oppressive. The few Muslim women I have spoken to have agreed. Most do like the hijab do, many even find them beautiful and love wearing them! I worked with a muslim woman who had the most beautiful lace hijabs!


Yeah I love hijabs too! I would honestly wear one if I could haha. I think they are amazing and so beautiful. I also think arabic/middle eastern women are just the most gorgeous, I love the skin color <3

But yeah, I think that there are all of these politicians deciding what should be done about burquas and mosques etc, but none of them never actually KNOW what it is like and so I wish they would poll the actual people whom it is effecting.
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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:32 PM

Actually most of the women here they dont wear burque!


 


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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:46 PM

It's true that muslim women are expected to "cover" themselves because showing too much hair or skin is considered indecent.

The thing that angers me about it is that it's MEN who will cause all the problems (in theory) but they expect WOMEN to take steps (covering yourself) to prevent it in everyday life.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 08:33 PM

The thing that angers me about it is that it's MEN who will cause all the problems (in theory) but they expect WOMEN to take steps (covering yourself) to prevent it in everyday life.


I was just going to make this point! It's TRU in Judaism as well, we have to cover ourselves up because of men's thoughts ect. That has always made me angry! I see these Arab women dressed in burkas, but their husbands are wearing the most expensive clothes with not a care in the world. In Judaism too, women have to dress so modestly because men's thoughts might start to inappropriate areas. Why does a mans thoughts all of a sudden become my problem?

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 01:28 AM

I was just going to make this point! It's TRU in Judaism as well, we have to cover ourselves up because of men's thoughts ect. That has always made me angry! I see these Arab women dressed in burkas, but their husbands are wearing the most expensive clothes with not a care in the world. In Judaism too, women have to dress so modestly because men's thoughts might start to inappropriate areas. Why does a mans thoughts all of a sudden become my problem?


are you going to cover your hair when you get married arie?
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:49 AM

are you going to cover your hair when you get married arie?


Yes, for me it's not really an option not too. But I am not so strict on it. Meaning, I am not going to wear a wig or even cover all my hair. I will let some stick out and wear scarves or cute hats.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:03 PM

Yes, for me it's not really an option not too. But I am not so strict on it. Meaning, I am not going to wear a wig or even cover all my hair. I will let some stick out and wear scarves or cute hats.


Ahh, what are the strictest requirements? Wigs, you say? O.o that seems a little intense to me! are there certain times when you have to cover your hair? like in your house is it ok to not?
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:36 PM

Ahh, what are the strictest requirements? Wigs, you say? O.o that seems a little intense to me! are there certain times when you have to cover your hair? like in your house is it ok to not?


Like everything in religion, there are a million different opinions haha. In my opinion, yes wearing a wig is the strictest opinion. You have to cover your hair at all times. Most agree that you can uncover it in your own house. There is a big discussion around wether you can uncover it in your house in the presence of people who are not family members. I do know women who wont even uncover their hair around their daughters. Like every religion, we have our extremists too. I will uncover my hair in my house. And, I won't cover all my hair. I will wear cute scarves or hats and such lol.

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Posted 30 April 2011 - 01:09 PM

I'm not religious, but I believe in God. since I was young I've been crazy about learning about the spiritual world, in fact I think about it most of the time haha. I notice the strangest things all the time, which makes me philosophise for hours on on end about the most random stuff. I love sitting quietly and observing nature, that is when the answers to my questions start to reveal themselves. :ohyeah:

I follow Tao and I was lucky to meet my Teacher a few years ago, who has taught me the way of the Tao (which is not a religion if anyone thinks so). Tao is the word that refers to the silent and formless, independent and immutable, constantly moving and always harmonious something, the mother of all things in the universe. It was born before the creation of Heaven and Earth. Also known as 'God' to religions.

For me, it's not about following rituals and religions, but about applying your knowledge from whatever holy source you're reading or learning from to every day life, and always observing everything around you including yourself. It's very hard to be in tune with your mind and soul all the time. But when you are, everything flows into its own pattern around you. It's very important to observe your thoughts, words and actions, because what you sow is what you reap.
I think everyone has all the knowledge about following the word of God, but most of us never apply it to our lives when we have to. It's always easier to get angry, be ignorant, be lazy, etc etc. If all of us lived consciously, the system we're allowing to dictate our lives right now would be resisted, because it's one f****d up system but everyone is still like tra la la, I live in my comfort zone, who gives a crap about the rest. It's disgusting. But that's another topic right there.

Also,I believe everyone has a different way of communicating with God.

Oh, and I think God couldn't care less about whether your hair is covered or not, God is most likely more concerned with why we care so much about our friggin overrrated commercialised hair but not so much about the kids who're getting raped, or us citizens getting screwed over by big chops and not doing anything about it. I rate that's what God is more concerned about. Seriously, God is not an entity sitting up there with "his" pencil and paper ticking off our how well we do our made up rituals.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 01:44 AM

I follow Tao and I was lucky to meet my Teacher a few years ago, who has taught me the way of the Tao (which is not a religion if anyone thinks so). Tao is the word that refers to the silent and formless, independent and immutable, constantly moving and always harmonious something, the mother of all things in the universe. It was born before the creation of Heaven and Earth. Also known as 'God' to religions.

For me, it's not about following rituals and religions, but about applying your knowledge from whatever holy source you're reading or learning from to every day life, and always observing everything around you including yourself.

I think everyone has all the knowledge about following the word of God, but most of us never apply it to our lives when we have to. It's always easier to get angry, be ignorant, be lazy, etc etc. If all of us lived consciously, the system we're allowing to dictate our lives right now would be resisted, because it's one f****d up system but everyone is still like tra la la, I live in my comfort zone, who gives a crap about the rest. It's disgusting. But that's another topic right there.

Also,I believe everyone has a different way of communicating with God.

Oh, and I think God couldn't care less about whether your hair is covered or not, God is most likely more concerned with why we care so much about our friggin overrrated commercialised hair but not so much about the kids who're getting raped, or us citizens getting screwed over by big chops and not doing anything about it. I rate that's what God is more concerned about. Seriously, God is not an entity sitting up there with "his" pencil and paper ticking off our how well we do our made up rituals.


Ahhh I'm so sorry I didn't respond to this sooner!

But anyway. Tao seems like a really cool belief system and I think it is great that you are learning to be in touch with yourself and the earth at the same time. I read somewhere that prayer is a lot like meditation, in fact, it is a form of meditation in itself. The brain works the same way and it's a very good way of relaxing. I just think that it's really great to be able to harmonize with yourself and come to peace with yourself and it creates a great cycle of peace and prosperity. It might not come in the form of groundbreaking, earth shattering realizations or epiphanies, but as Ghandi said, "be the change you want to see in the world". I think a lot of people say it, but they don't live it. And I firmly believe that by improving ourselves we can pass this down to our kids, and so on, and it will create a cycle of peace.

I also agree with you that God probably isn't checking of things in His ledger, but I do admire the Jewish and Muslim commitment to cover their hair because I think it shows great respect for their religion and for themselves as well. I've just always thought it was cool. Some people take it to the extreme, of course, like full body burquas and such. But I can definitely admire any woman who is so in touch with their religion that they will take on a commitment for themselves. If I'm not mistaken, a woman in Islam doesn't technically have to cover themselves, its a commitment that the women choose to make at, I think, 13 or so. Something like that. I just think it's a really dedicated view and I've always admired women who can take on that responsibility. :)
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 03:33 AM

I used to be a hardcore atheist. If anyone can remember how I was. Before I was an atheist however, I was a wiccan. I feel like I'm the only Pagan here. I came back to my "religion" last year. Something very spiritual happened to me and I was drawn back in an instant.

Since I'm a Pagan (Celtic) Wiccan, I'm a practicing witch. This doesn't mean I cast spells on people to hurt them. I follow the Wiccan rede which states, "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will". Which basically means, do what you think is best for you. Wiccans don't believe in a heaven or a hell. There is no real punishment system in our faith. The only real thing we see is, if you do bad then it could be expected that you receive bad back. If you do good, you may receive good back. However, the rede is not meant for people to exploit it and do good deeds solely for this. One should do good deeds to make one feel good.

I do cast spells. I cast protection spells on my home, on myself and I protect myself from negative energy. I believe in the Earth. I do not believe in a God. I do not believe in a Goddess. I'm not that type of Wiccan. Some Wiccans do believe in the God and the Goddess. I believe sole in the Earth and her powers. I believe that the Earth is a living, breathing creature that should be respected at all times. I believe in Wind, Fire, Earth, Water and Spirit. Those are the points on the pentagram.

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White: Spirit. Red: Fire. Green: Earth. Blue: Water. Yellow: Wind (or Air) Note: When using candles in a ritual, setting up an alter should be done like this. Directions are also important to Wiccans.

The pentagram is not or rather should not be used for evil or ill intent. If it is, I believe that spells will backfire, rituals will fail and harm will come out of it. Not only will you hurt yourself but you might end up hurting those around you. Magick isn't something to be messed with. It should be taken with care and respected.

If anyone has questions on how we preform rituals or spells, feel free to ask me. :)

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:15 AM

I used to be a hardcore atheist. If anyone can remember how I was. Before I was an atheist however, I was a wiccan. I feel like I'm the only Pagan here. I came back to my "religion" last year. Something very spiritual happened to me and I was drawn back in an instant.

Since I'm a Pagan (Celtic) Wiccan, I'm a practicing witch. This doesn't mean I cast spells on people to hurt them. I follow the Wiccan rede which states, "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will". Which basically means, do what you think is best for you. Wiccans don't believe in a heaven or a hell. There is no real punishment system in our faith. The only real thing we see is, if you do bad then it could be expected that you receive bad back. If you do good, you may receive good back. However, the rede is not meant for people to exploit it and do good deeds solely for this. One should do good deeds to make one feel good.

I do cast spells. I cast protection spells on my home, on myself and I protect myself from negative energy. I believe in the Earth. I do not believe in a God. I do not believe in a Goddess. I'm not that type of Wiccan. Some Wiccans do believe in the God and the Goddess. I believe sole in the Earth and her powers. I believe that the Earth is a living, breathing creature that should be respected at all times. I believe in Wind, Fire, Earth, Water and Spirit. Those are the points on the pentagram.

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White: Spirit. Red: Fire. Green: Earth. Blue: Water. Yellow: Wind (or Air) Note: When using candles in a ritual, setting up an alter should be done like this. Directions are also important to Wiccans.

The pentagram is not or rather should not be used for evil or ill intent. If it is, I believe that spells will backfire, rituals will fail and harm will come out of it. Not only will you hurt yourself but you might end up hurting those around you. Magick isn't something to be messed with. It should be taken with care and respected.

If anyone has questions on how we preform rituals or spells, feel free to ask me. :)


YAY! Thank you so much for posting! I actually made a thread about wicca/paganism, so feel free to post in that and get ideas going and stuff, that would be much appreciated! I've been frustrated for a long time about the stereotypes of wiccans and I'm very happy you posted!
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Posted 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM

YAY! Thank you so much for posting! I actually made a thread about wicca/paganism, so feel free to post in that and get ideas going and stuff, that would be much appreciated! I've been frustrated for a long time about the stereotypes of wiccans and I'm very happy you posted!

Sure! I'm glad someone is interested in it. I will look for the thread and we can talk about it there if you like. :)
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