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#21 Arie

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 03:08 AM

Thank you so much. All things you've seen here come from G-D. He's the provider of everything, so half the Psalms of David say. :) I'm always here for you if you need anything. I'm glad I met you.

It can be very tough sometimes, yes. It tries my faith, but I endure, all with the blessing of the Lord. His answer still truly amazes me; I love it when He and I speak. It blows my mind. Keep enduring in your faith; go on, and talk to G-D yourself. See what He wants of you. G-D has great plans for you; follow them.

Love you much.

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You are really amazing!!! I think G-D led me to this thread lol. And, thanks again... same to you!!!

Well, thats incredible!! It Is!!! I know so many people who have given up on religion because of their families. But, you are strong enough to get through it!!! Which is awesome!!! Not only do I pray 3 times a day, but I talk to G-D all the time. People make fun of me for talking to myself. But, I am never talking to myself. Really, I am always talking to G-D. We just have to keep our eyes open for his answers! I agree, G-D has so many wonderful things in store for everyone. I just wish more people would realize that.

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#22 Revan

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 03:11 AM

You are really amazing!!! I think G-D led me to this thread lol. And, thanks again... same to you!!!

Well, thats incredible!! It Is!!! I know so many people who have given up on religion because of their families. But, you are strong enough to get through it!!! Which is awesome!!! Not only do I pray 3 times a day, but I talk to G-D all the time. People make fun of me for talking to myself. But, I am never talking to myself. Really, I am always talking to G-D. We just have to keep our eyes open for his answers! I agree, G-D has so many wonderful things in store for everyone. I just wish more people would realize that.


Nothing is a coincidence, friend. He very well may have.

As the world hated Israel, the world will hate you for your closeness to G-D. Stay close to Him, my friend; you are a rare individual. You truly are. You will go far to spread the message of love throughout the world. Never let anyone get you down, and let other believers help you carry your burdens. There will come a time when the world will realize their follies and turn to G-D, or be destroyed.

Our hope is in the Messiah.

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 03:27 AM

Nothing is a coincidence, friend. He very well may have.

As the world hated Israel, the world will hate you for your closeness to G-D. Stay close to Him, my friend; you are a rare individual. You truly are. You will go far to spread the message of love throughout the world. Never let anyone get you down, and let other believers help you carry your burdens. There will come a time when the world will realize their follies and turn to G-D, or be destroyed.

Our hope is in the Messiah.

~Revan


I agree with you, thats something my dad always says!!!

Stop making me cry!!!! lol Your posts are so amazing!! I will always stay close to him and follow him! Yes I know there will be. It just sucks that so many people are so against religion. Or other religions then there own. I wish we could all accept each other and in turn love each other.

Amen, everyday he doesn't come I pray he will come the next day.

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#24 Revan

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 03:54 AM

Steering this thread back on topic, I'm happy to answer any more questions about the LDS, from anyone.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:10 PM

Appears that I missed a bit of a party. Props to you Revan for answering so diligently and articulate. :)

I, too, am also here to answer any questions.

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 10:30 AM

How do Mormons see heaven? What is Mormon heaven?

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#27 Revan

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 04:04 PM

How do Mormons see heaven? What is Mormon heaven?


Latter Day Saints believe in a view of heaven supported by the Bible, Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenants.

Essentially, there is a differentiation between "heaven", "hell", "paradise", and "purgatory". Heaven is the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth that Christ Jesus brought during His ministry. It is known widely among the LDS as Zion.

Paradise is what most people think of as "heaven": the afterlife. LDS believe that there are three levels to it, called from highest to lowest, the Celestial Realm, the Terrestrial Realm, and the Telestial Realm.

The Celestial Realm is the highest point of Paradise, the ultimate dwelling place of God. It's similar to the White Rose level of heaven in Dante's Inferno. The Father and the Son dwell here permanately. LDS believe that by being baptised, accepting the will and grace of God in your life, and following His ordinances and commandments, you will be granted access to the Celestial Realm in the afterlife. Those in the Celestial Realm become like God Himself; they follow the perfect example of Jesus Christ in the afterlife.

The Terrestrial Realm is the second level of Paradise; if the Celestial Realm is like the Sun, then the Terrestrial Realm is like the moon. LDS believe that those who have faith in Christ and follow His will, but are not part of the LDS church or do not follow the ordinances end up here. While the beings here do not become ultimately like God, they are ultimately saved from all the corruption of the world and live eternity in great joy. The Holy Ghost fully permeates this level of heaven, as it does with the Terrestrial, and those who dwell here enjoy the full and complete presence of God.

The Telestial Realm is the last level of Paradise; this is comparable to seeing the stars at night. Those who dwell here are those who lived unvirtuous lives but still claimed the name of Jesus Christ at some point in their lives.

For lack of a better term, LDS also believe in a form of "Purgatory". It is believed that when someone dies, there is a chance that they may accept the Gospel. They are enlightened with the full truth of things and are offered a chance to accept God's gospel, be baptized, and go through the ordinances if they so desire. It is for this reason that LDS practice ordinances and baptism for the dead; we believe that passing the ordinances here on Earth for a person gives them the chance to accept them in the afterlife.

There is also a LDS view of hell; most refer to it as the "Outer Darkness". Very few end up here; it is reserved for Satan and his angels, along with those who refuse the Gospel on Earth and in the afterlife.

At the Great White Throne Judgement, all people will be sorted into one of these five levels of eternal existence.

LDS believe that the reason why this works is because of two judgements, one according to Grace, and the other according to works. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ took away the sins of the world; we are no longer condemned by them and have no reason to be condemned. For this reason, it takes a willful exercise against God to reach full condemnation. It is this grace that guarantees us freedom from sin, and Paradise in the afterlife. According to how we live our lives, according to how we use the grace and love that Jesus Christ has given us, will ultimately determine where we dwell. It is simple: if a person desires God, they recieve God. If a person desires themselves, they recieve themselves.

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 04:33 PM

To add to what Revan has said:

In 1st Corinthians 15, Paul is speaking to the Corinthians about the Resurrection of Christ and about the Resurrection of the dead. In the latter part of the section, Paul describes how those both living and dead will be resurrected and made whole. We will become spiritual beings. In verses 40-41 it reads:

 
40. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 

41. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.


These verses are the base for what Revan stated above about LDS belief in Heaven and the 3 degrees of glory we believe in.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:46 AM

Thanks heaps both of you guys! I had heard it was slightly different to what Baptists (Like me) saw heaven.
Thanks muchly for the info

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#30 Revan

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:36 AM

Thanks heaps both of you guys! I had heard it was slightly different to what Baptists (Like me) saw heaven.
Thanks muchly for the info


No problem, bro. :) God bless you.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:49 AM

You to my friend

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:05 PM

You're welcome. Revan is like an LDS Encyclopedia. :)

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:08 PM

Haha, he knows his stuff!

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:35 PM

Indeed he does. Makes my answers seem like footnotes rather than the article. Hah.

Anyways, back on topic. Revan and I are still here to answer your questions about the LDS Church, so ask away. :)

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Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:09 PM

Hello, all, I too am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Although my beliefs are strong in the Gospel, I have strayed quite far from the straight and narrow path. I can, however, add to the answers to questions posted here. For example: The easiest way that I have found to answer the question "What is the Book of Mormon?" (and has been 100% accepted by all that have asked me this question) is that while the Bible was an ancient record of the people and beliefs on one continent, the Book of Mormon was an ancient record of the people and beliefs on the North American continent. There are ancient writings being found all over the world that mirror both books. If I had to explain further when queried, I would ask them if they truly believed that ancient writings don't exist every where? Doesn't it make sense that people would keep records every where?

Of course, that is the way that I explain it.

I often laugh at people's misconceptions of the LDS religion. I often tell them of the 13 Articles of Faith, Joseph Smith's answer to "FAQ's" during that time, specifically "What does your church believe in?"

When asked about Polygamy, I remind the questioner that at that time in history, men were on short order. The practice of Polygamy started so that the women and children could be taken care of. More like a business arrangement than a harem. Then I refer them to Article of Faith #12 "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." When it was deemed that Polygamy was unlawful, Latter-Day Saints obeyed, honored, and sustained the law and ceased to practice Polygamy.

Now, I am no expert on any of this. I just pass on what I have learned myself from studying, and what others have learned by studying and then passing on to me.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:19 AM

Thanks for the input, Boyd. I consider myself heterodox; I do not jive with the Church, though the Book of Mormon is quite genuine.

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