The OT is still as much a valid part of the bible as the NT, whether you like it or not.
I said don't give me ONLY OT quotes. Because everyone only quotes OT for the "bad" stuff. Never the NT. Weird ha? And oh look, all your quotes are DUHN DUHNNN from the OT. Why isn't that surprising? Tch. I've said i don't quite accept the OT numerous times.
Yeah, I agree. There's a load of wrong stuff in the OT. That the NT is much better (although "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword" still seems rather strange to me) I also agree on. But, if you do not accept the OT, do you accept creationism? Although modern science has proved that evolution is a totally viable and fitting theory, it remains an important piece in Christian dogma.
There are quite a few things in there that i don not fully understand or accept. It seems weird to me in many parts. I've said before that the God of the OT doesn't seem a bit fair to me, and the quotes beneath you very carefully chose to use prove it. So i am not going to defend the OT, or the Quran where it says -i think- that Allah says that he who will split someone else's blood in his name will go to Heaven.
Yes, I've heard this before. And I fully agree. It should not be taken literally. But phrases like the ones I have posted can't really be taken symbolically, either, can they? What's symbolical about killing people who believe differently? It's quite different from the principle "love your neighbour like yourself" (or however this translates into English), which is something I can agree on.
he OT, holy as it may be to numerous of people portrays a totally different era, describes things in a different way and is not to be taken literally.
I'm afraid you've quite misunderstood my message. I am not assuming that all religious people want to fight eachother because their god demands them to commit genocide. It is my belief that religion gives some people a window of opportunity, a reason to fight eachother, because their god demands them to commit genocide. As I've stated in my previous post, there are good things about religion and I acknowledge that.
People who believe in God, have an understanding of love and equality, so yeah peace is what they want. You assumed above that Christians, and religious people in general don't want peace because their God demands them to commit genocide against people of different believes. It's your opinion to believe that, sadly enough. And my opinion to consider you ignorant.
You are grossly misunderstanding me again. I do not demand that you know the bible by heart. I merely stated my surprise at christians not knowing atrocious passages are in the bible. I was raised christian. I have been to christian elementary and high school. I don't, can't and won't claim that I know the bible very well, but of course I know that the bible preaches love and equality as well. As for understanding, I'm not so sure, but let's not go there. Those passages I of course support, but I think that they are basic 'rules of engagement', if you will, for developed civilizations, anyway.
Yes of course, because i have to know the bible by heart. Sadly i'm surprised you only need to know the parts of the bible-or any other sacred book- you need so to accuse God, I'm sure you haven't even read the NT or the OT for that matter. Only the parts you want. You haven't read the parts that preach love, equality, understanding, hope, faith anything at all.
How lovely that you use my own words against me. But I'm afraid your argument is quite shallow compared to mine. The only thing I and the rest of the atheists on the world bring forward is words. It's kind of hard for a fanatic atheist to put into deeds anything that comes with atheism specifically, i.e. I don't believe in the existance of a deity, whereas fanatic religious people have been killing for their Gods for thousands of years. The worst you can get from a fanatic anti-religous type is a battered ego, the worst you can get from a fanatic religious type is death. It's not really comparable.
There will always be fanatics. In every religion and not only. Haven't you seen fanatic anti-religious/atheist people? Blaming religion/God for everything, judging ALL the religious people the same? It's undeniably disturbing.
If you are referring to me, blaming religion for everything, I think and maintain that in (full circle-back to topic) the case of Israel and Palestine, the conflict still exists because of religious literalism.
Edited by Majestic122, 02 February 2012 - 12:56 AM.