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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:28 AM

It is lovely that the kids you teach are sweet. But, the autism spectrum is called a spectrum for a reason. No 2 people with autism are the same. It is moossible to make any judgement about kids with autism. That's just the nature of it. I of course agree that no one should listen to the media. But, we all need to remember that 4 sweet kids does not mean that Evernote on the spectrum is sweet. I have been working with autistic kids for many years as well. This summer I worked with 2 seperatly and they couldn't be more more opposite. Everyone is different, including kids with autism. Some are sweet, some can do rotten things.

I think there is an important lesson to be learned here. This guy did have autism. Instead of sitting here and calling him disgusting (not saying that he isn't a bad person) we should think to ourselves how can we prevent this? What can we do to help those in need? This is not the first school shooting by someone who is mentally ill. We need to figure out how I help those who need it. There is no excuse for not helping these people. This guy,s I have forgotten his name (not that it is really worth mentioning), mother was trying. Unfortunately the system wasn't working fast enough for her. Look what happened? There has to be something more we can do.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:43 PM

Awful news. Thoughts are with students, teachers and families.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

And then the sport of airsoft was invented out of Japan because of the lack of real firearms.


Really? I've always wondered where that crap came from. Running around dressed up and kitted out for hundreds of $ in real gear with a gun that shoots little plastic thingies....


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:32 PM

Really? I've always wondered where that crap came from. Running around dressed up and kitted out for hundreds of $ in real gear with a gun that shoots little plastic thingies....


Yep, post-WWII US occupation banned all forms of weapons in order to prevent any subsequent aggression (minus limited availability of traditional weapons); they even banned much reference to the militaristic culture of Japan including Bushido [similar policies were placed in Germany by the Allies after the fall of the Nazi regime]. During the 70's the Japanese gun enthusiasts wanted to develop replica firearms because they had to get around the government's extremely strict gun laws (law enforcement agencies aren't even allowed to have guns). From there the concept evolved into a legitimate war game with authentic gear and authentic-replica firearms. Still, the Japanese shooting enthusiasts preferred real firearms for range shooting.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:06 AM

Murder or Jamie Knight my brother in law's brother

I present this link as evidence to what I speak of hereafter and hope that you will all read of the murder of Jamie Knight and internalize a small part of the effect of his death on myself and my family.

It's not with ease that I have finally decided to respond to this topic. It is an extremely emotional topic for me and my family and I have tears as I talk about it.

There are so MANY things that are at work here that there is no easy answer. I am not someone who advocates an entire ban on gun ownership in America, as I fully realize how our country was built in part on the right to own firearms. My closest friend even owns several firearms, and has served as a police officer and an investigator for the State of New York for the past 6 years or so now.

My family has been directly effected by this sort of thing in that my brother in law's brother, Jamie Knight was shot in the head and killed while working in a Friendly's restaurant in January of 1997 in Richmond, Virginia. So unlike many others, I can speak to this personally on some level. I have seen a small part of the effects that a gun murder has on a family, and I finally worked up the courage and talked to my sister about it a few years ago and I got some perspective on the ultimate toll it takes on a family. Obviously the effects of the murder effect my opinion, I won't deny that.

I feel like that no matter what regarding gun control that there are certain people who will be denied the opportunity of possessing a gun to protecting themselves against someone who has possession of a gun. A lot of people FOCUS on the fact that murders will still be murders, but in doing so they may not fully appreciate the toll of a gun murder on the family of victims. Therefore I feel like some kind of gun control is neccessary. There is nothing that might have saved my brother in law's brother Jamie perhaps with regards to gun control in the United States. That said, there are certain weapons that no one has a right to own IMO, other than military or police personelle, functioning in their roles. Of course there may be little to stop a rogue cop or military memeber from committing a horrific crime, even with those constraints. Even so, I can't see the reason for anyone being allowed to own an automatic or semi-automatic weapon either for protection or for hunting, where the damage done by such a weapon would negate both the sporting aspect and practical aspect of hunting IMO. I think it is ENTIRELY fair to discuss gun control after this and in NO WAY disrespects the victims or their families. I think it's fair for me to speak to that as having had my family effected by a devasting gun murder.

My brother in law's family has been very involved in efforts to improve gun control laws in Virginia, even though it likely would not have saved their son's/brother's life. My family also realizes that these kind of acts effect more than just their own family, as my sister and brother in law buy and wrap Christmas presents every year for the children of parents who have committed a violent crime and are in prison and unable to buy presents for their children. To me it brings tears to my eyes and is one of the greatest gifts of humanity that they can think not simply of their own loss but also of the losses suffered by the families of purpatrators of crime.

So many people suffer because of these violent acts. Can't we just discuss ways to possibly improve/prevent further disasters of the nature in Newtown, Connecticutt? The press conference by the NRA was DISPICABLE to my family as we listened to it. I truly can't even describe the vehemance and anger we felt, even though we were not terribly surprised. Let's make America safer. I'm not oppossed to having trained/armed personelle at schools. What I AM oppposed to is the kinds of weapons that are available in the United States to purpatrators of these kinds of crimes. Let's stop that. Let's move beyond the rhetoric and feel the very REAL emotional and physical and mental toll that gun violence takes on the families of vicitims. We will NEVER stop it completely, but if in banning asault weapons we save a few lives and a few suffereings, it will be TOTALLY worth it IMO. PLEASE, let us make this about gun control to honor the memory of those who were lost. Anyone who says that it is disrespectfull to do so is barking up the wrong tree IMO, and you can not tell me differently.

PLEASE.. I beg on my hands and knees.... let's talk about gun control and gun laws in America. Let us discuss what might be done to save lives of innocent people. Maybe I'm wrong here.. but to me, the right to Life and Liberty supersede's the right to own a weapon that can take those rights away from several people in an instant.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:02 AM

No matter how anyone tries to swing this, mentally ill or not, the man was a disgusting, despicable human being. I teach third grade and to see my own students and their kindergarten buddies making gingerbread men the other day with each other made me tear up knowing those young lives in Connecticut were taken so violently while my angels were working. I have to say going back to work this week has been rather surreal and a bit nerve wrecking. We walked into our building Monday morning thinking about the school in Connecticut. We now have police stationed at our school-patroling the grounds-plain clothes.
As for gun control, our country sucks at it...I do not care if people want to own handguns that is their right to protect themselves if for that reason...but assault weapons-FREAKIN BAN THEM ALREADY-WHO the he#@ needs them!!!!! Its just so beyond despicable and horrific what happened to the kids and their teachers. All they did was get up, go to school. Those teachers were planned for the day, going over the schedule and the day. They just wanted to teach their angels.

My boss told us her uncle lives there and said the entire conmunity just is devastated and finding it very hard to move past this-how do you move past this???? :'(

By the way I teach aspergers kids-mainstreamed...they are usually very sweet and docile-have some social issues but are rather intelligent, kind, and want to be with others even though socially they are awkward-I have 4 students with aspergers...so whatever the media is saying about the autistic spectrum, please do not listen to them.


There are just so many questions.

I have nieces and nephews around that age, and it definitely made me hug them a little tighter. I simply can't understand how a monster like this can be created, but I'm sure he wasn't a monster, always.

And that's what's scary, because this could have been prevented. How, I don't really know. But someone had to have seen his downward spiral, and if they had, 20 children and 6 adults would be alive today.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

I'm a bit late, I know. Of course my heart goes out to all those affected by the Connecticut shootings.

I just want to leave you with this 1 statistic

In the US, for every 100 people there are 90 guns.
In the UK, for every 100 people there are 6 guns.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:35 AM

I'm a bit late, I know. Of course my heart goes out to all those affected by the Connecticut shootings.

I just want to leave you with this 1 statistic

In the US, for every 100 people there are 90 guns.
In the UK, for every 100 people there are 6 guns.



2011 US violent crime rate: 386 per 100,000

2011 England/Wales violent crime rate: 1361 per 100,000
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

Protests of gun owners remind me a bit of those of "well-adjusted" drug users; like, people who smoke some marjiuana and pop some ecstasy once in a while. That some people (maybe even the majority) make relatively careful use of something is an argument, but it must be weighed against those cases where things go differently.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:02 AM

Anything related to a gun-control debate please post in the topic I started in the Advice forum.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

Jon, sorry about your brother-in-law's brother. It's getting to be an epidemic in this country.

I think along with the NRA, BIG PHARMA should be held responsible.
I heard on the "news"that shooter at Sandy Hook was on 3
different types of anti-depressants/psychotropic drugs that
cause homicidal/suicidal thoughts. You'll never see BIG PHARMA held accountable tho, because
they're in bed with the government/media. Just look at the "news" shows, all you see are
nasty drugs with disclaimers and all the side effects during commercial breaks Those ads are saying:
If you take these drugs, they can cause more problems and/or make you more sick or worse cause death.

Americans are the most heavily sedated/drugged people in the world. They like to take meds for everything, and
take whatever their doctors prescribe. Americans have "short-term memory" caused by these meds. Sad.

I think the NRA and BIG PHARMA should be part of those congressional hearings on gun control. People kill with guns because drugs are causing homicidal/suicidal thoughts.

You'll hear mental health being bantered about, but that still hasn't lead to the connection of psychotropic drugs that the
psychiatrists give their patients.

Guns are the symptom--why does the US have all these shootings??? It's the cause--psychotropic drugs.

Did you also notice the killer at the Century Cinema in CO??? He looked like he was dazed/drugged out of him mind. Again,
no mention of psychotropic drugs. Ummmm...I wonder why???? $$$$$ ALWAYS TALKS--FOLLOW THE $$$$$$

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

Jon, sorry about your brother-in-law's brother. It's getting to be an epidemic in this country.

I think along with the NRA, BIG PHARMA should be held responsible.
I heard on the "news"that shooter at Sandy Hook was on 3
different types of anti-depressants/psychotropic drugs that
cause homicidal/suicidal thoughts. You'll never see BIG PHARMA held accountable tho, because
they're in bed with the government/media. Just look at the "news" shows, all you see are
nasty drugs with disclaimers and all the side effects during commercial breaks Those ads are saying:
If you take these drugs, they can cause more problems and/or make you more sick or worse cause death.

Americans are the most heavily sedated/drugged people in the world. They like to take meds for everything, and
take whatever their doctors prescribe. Americans have "short-term memory" caused by these meds. Sad.

I think the NRA and BIG PHARMA should be part of those congressional hearings on gun control. People kill with guns because drugs are causing homicidal/suicidal thoughts.

You'll hear mental health being bantered about, but that still hasn't lead to the connection of psychotropic drugs that the
psychiatrists give their patients.

Guns are the symptom--why does the US have all these shootings??? It's the cause--psychotropic drugs.

Did you also notice the killer at the Century Cinema in CO??? He looked like he was dazed/drugged out of him mind. Again,
no mention of psychotropic drugs. Ummmm...I wonder why???? $$$$$ ALWAYS TALKS--FOLLOW THE $$$$$$


So.... the solution is:



Why not take all these people who're f'ed up in the head, and put them all in an island to fend for themselves. Come back after a year and retrieve either A) the ones to became sane again and/or B ) the sole survivor, he will be studied.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

So.... the solution is:



Why not take all these people who're f'ed up in the head, and put them all in an island to fend for themselves. Come back after a year and retrieve either A) the ones to became sane again and/or B ) the sole survivor, he will be studied.



Great idea---and have all the BIG PHARMA thugs on that island along with them--UNARMED--let's see how long
they survive. :tongue0020:

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:26 AM

It's going to take a collaborative effort from communities, the media, the entertainment industry, the politicians, the drug companies, the gun lobby, the anti-gun lobby to reduce and ultimately prevent these types of things. The major obstacle to that working is the fact that a lot of the organizations who play a roll in this make big money, and the tendency from all of them when a tragedy happens is to point their fingers somewhere else instead of pointing them at themselves. If we all focused on what WE could do better to help prevent random acts of violence and took action to change that, instead of point out what someone else could do better, maybe we'd start to get somewhere. Until that happens people will continue to die and they will sadly be the ones who have no voice in all of this while those of us who live will cry holy hannah for a few months before we move on with our lives until the next tragedy when we start the cycle of finger-pointing without self reflection again. :angry: :(
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

It's going to take a collaborative effort from communities, the media, the entertainment industry, the politicians, the drug companies, the gun lobby, the anti-gun lobby to reduce and ultimately prevent these types of things. The major obstacle to that working is the fact that a lot of the organizations who play a roll in this make big money, and the tendency from all of them when a tragedy happens is to point their fingers somewhere else instead of pointing them at themselves. If we all focused on what WE could do better to help prevent random acts of violence and took action to change that, instead of point out what someone else could do better, maybe we'd start to get somewhere. Until that happens people will continue to die and they will sadly be the ones who have no voice in all of this while those of us who live will cry holy hannah for a few months before we move on with our lives until the next tragedy when we start the cycle of finger-pointing without self reflection again.



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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:47 AM

The shooting was so awful! There was a special playing on tv on the day it happened. I cried my eyes out. those poor families :(
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:12 PM

I was working at a school myself at that time. I remember trying to hold back emotions in front of the kids. However to this day i still can't imagine who would do it? Why would they do it? I honestly do not think we ever will know the cause? However to this day i will never look at schools the same was as i use to. Now for the items at debate. Bottom line there should be a limit on assault weapons and about how many rounds should be in a clip. On the contrary you can not stop the selling and taking away weapons from persons of any race. How ever i do not support nor condone in any of those actions of what to do with peoples' weapons. Just simply saying you take away the sales of weapons, criminals will find another way. Example stealing fire arms or borrowing etc. We need more preventive measures to protect our children while not taking away the liberties of Law abiding citizens of the United States of America. But god rest their little souls.


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