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#41 Sacred_Path

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

cbmac, if she had offered any new insights (maybe in this interview) then there wouldn't be the same old argument about her education that was already going on in another thread.

 

I think it's sad that someone as intelligent and opinionated as Emma doesn't seem interested anymore in forming any kind of image, of a public persona. It might be that she's needing a break from the celebrity circus, or that she's insecure or unsure about her priorities right now, but anything would be better than nothing. When talking about her roles, she's very broad and unspecific in her statements. Ditto for college, "it was tough but I managed and maybe I'll be writing a book." Plz watch my movies, kthxbye.

 

What does she stand for? Some nights, I don't know... anymore.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:16 PM

What does she stand for? Who cares?

 

She's a freaking actress, not a politician.

 

This isn't a press release. She isn't running for office. 

 

 

Why are her insights so vitally important?

 

Is she supposed to try to convince you to like her? Is that her job now?


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 09:32 AM

What does she stand for? Who cares?
 
She's a freaking actress, not a politician.

She has been an actress in the past as well, but since the end of HP, she's been very reluctant with statements that could be translated into any form of image. Maybe it's her strategy; we know that she believes that giving away too much could hinder people's suspension of disbelief. But for me as a consumer, it's much less interesting to watch a non-descript actress' performance. I much prefer to have an impression of someone as a person and then see how that plays out on screen, even or especially if the role seems at odds with their personality (like Emma in Bling Ring).

Also, I really enjoyed the way she seemed to be sending out signals during her HP years; I got the impression of someone with a message. I wonder if that isn't something she misses, if she's genuinely happy with the way she's perceived nowadays, or if she simply feels she doesn't have anything to share at this point in time.
 

Is she supposed to try to convince you to like her? Is that her job now?

quite the contrary. I'd still find her interesting even if I didn't agree with her.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 11:07 AM

But for me as a consumer, it's much less interesting to watch a non-descript actress' performance. I much prefer to have an impression of someone as a person and then see how that plays out on screen, even or especially if the role seems at odds with their personality (like Emma in Bling Ring).

 

That very well may be more entertaining for you to watch, but that doesn't mean it's what Emma is focused on doing.

 

 

It seems to me like you want Emma to become a certain type of actress that doesn't really align with her own goals.

 

 

The goal of a character actor should be to transform into a character that the audience fully believes is real.

 

This becomes difficult for an actor when the audience already has expectations of them that have nothing to do with the story.

 

 

Actors like Gary Oldman or Meryl Streep don't have these problems. They don't have that baggage.

 

If Emma wants to achieve that, she has to completely destroy that "persona" that was created with HP, and make sure she doesn't create a new one in the process.

 

 

Obviously that's something that will take years to truly accomplish, but it's going to have to involve a certain level of privacy that you apparently don't agree with.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 11:43 AM

It seems to me like you want Emma to become a certain type of actress that doesn't really align with her own goals.
 
 
The goal of a character actor should be to transform into a character that the audience fully believes is real.

Welp, we don't know what her goals are. You're supporting Emma's position that suspension of disbelief is hard to achieve and must be a priority. OTOH, Emma seems to be convincing in her role as Nicki, so this is no insurmountable problem to her.
 

If Emma wants to achieve that, she has to completely destroy that "persona" that was created with HP, and make sure she doesn't create a new one in the process.

She's been very open during her HP time. She can neither make people forget about that nor suddenly turn that image on its head (that wouldn't be credible). What I'd like to see is her keeping on being so open, and embracing any changes in her image that may come with it. The HP legacy certainly inhibits her; young girls looking up at you with gleaming eyes and saying "you're my rolemodel" aren't easy to brush aside.
 

Obviously that's something that will take years to truly accomplish, but it's going to have to involve a certain level of privacy that you apparently don't agree with.

She IS giving interviews/ attending events. She doesn't hide. Therefore, she could just as well use those interviews to really give insights about what's on her mind. The press doesn't care; as long as they can tout an interview with a famous actress on the cover, they don't mind if it consists of the same old, same old. The ones who really are hurt [pause for dramatic effect] are her fans. They are left wanting for her to shed some light on what's really going on in her life.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 12:41 PM

Welp, we don't know what her goals are. You're supporting Emma's position that suspension of disbelief is hard to achieve and must be a priority. OTOH, Emma seems to be convincing in her role as Nicki, so this is no insurmountable problem to her.

 

Her goal is to become an accomplished actor. This becomes very difficult when people are constantly comparing everything you do with HP. 

 

Yes, suspension of disbelief is a huge deal for any serious actor. Without it, we're just watching some actors pretend to be other people for a couple hours.

 

This is a very real problem, and she has a long way to go until it can be solved.

 

She's been very open during her HP time. She can neither make people forget about that nor suddenly turn that image on its head (that wouldn't be credible). What I'd like to see is her keeping on being so open, and embracing any changes in her image that may come with it. The HP legacy certainly inhibits her; young girls looking up at you with gleaming eyes and saying "you're my rolemodel" aren't easy to brush aside.

 

She absolutely can make people forget about HP. It won't be easy or quick, but it's definitely possible.

 

If she can establish herself with a market that never cared about HP, then that audience won't have that emotional baggage to taint her performance.

 

 

If she just replaces her HP persona with a new one, then she'll still be limiting herself.

 

Personas are very constricting to an actor. It puts you in a box and doesn't let you leave it.

 

She wants the freedom to try new things without the backlash of unfair expectations. 

 

 

She IS giving interviews/ attending events. She doesn't hide. Therefore, she could just as well use those interviews to really give insights about what's on her mind. The press doesn't care; as long as they can tout an interview with a famous actress on the cover, they don't mind if it consists of the same old, same old. The ones who really are hurt [pause for dramatic effect] are her fans. They are left wanting for her to shed some light on what's really going on in her life.

 

Personal information can often be used against you in ways you would never imagine.

 

You can't just tell you're biggest fans something personal and have it be just between them. 

 

The media loves to take the simplest of insights and blow it out of proportion. This creates unnecessary drama and it will often do more harm than good.

 

This is one of the biggest downsides of being a celebrity, and Emma avoids it at all costs.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:44 PM

i agree with Roberto, and truth be told, i am much more the fan of Emma the actress, than the celebrity/reality individual. if i never knew anything about her offscreen, other than what she publicly revealed at events such as recarpet premieres or promotional/publicityappearences, i could live with that. i just want to see her on the silver screen...and the oscar stage.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:05 PM

Her goal is to become an accomplished actor. This becomes very difficult when people are constantly comparing everything you do with HP. 
 
Yes, suspension of disbelief is a huge deal for any serious actor. Without it, we're just watching some actors pretend to be other people for a couple hours.
 
This is a very real problem, and she has a long way to go until it can be solved.

People are accepting her in roles other than Hermione, and she delivers in these roles. The issue you have in mind doesn't seem to exist in reality.
 
 

She absolutely can make people forget about HP. It won't be easy or quick, but it's definitely possible.
 
If she can establish herself with a market that never cared about HP, then that audience won't have that emotional baggage to taint her performance.

I don't think her foremost goal is to make people forget about Hermione. But even if it was, there are several ways to go about it. Of course she can simply try to keep her real personality out of the media for 10 years; but that's not very efficient, or honest, or guaranteed to succeed. You can change your image by simply being upfront about the changes you're going through; I don't think that her problem is credibility. People tend to believe her. So why not simply share more personal information as you go along, and hope that people accept that you've changed/ aren't stagnating?
 
 

If she just replaces her HP persona with a new one, then she'll still be limiting herself.
 
Personas are very constricting to an actor. It puts you in a box and doesn't let you leave it.
 
She wants the freedom to try new things without the backlash of unfair expectations.

two of her acknowledged role models, Jodie Foster and Natalie Portman, have been very succesful in different roles without keeping their personalities locked away.
 

Personal information can often be used against you in ways you would never imagine.
 
You can't just tell you're biggest fans something personal and have it be just between them. 
 
The media loves to take the simplest of insights and blow it out of proportion. This creates unnecessary drama and it will often do more harm than good.

I wouldn't call standing by your personality/ opinions "creating unnecessary drama". Sure it's possible that personally she's tired of having her statements dissected by press/ the public. I just don't think that the natural reaction is trying to be an actress without an attitude.

i agree with Roberto, and truth be told, i am much more the fan of Emma the actress, than the celebrity/reality individual. if i never knew anything about her offscreen, other than what she publicly revealed at events such as recarpet premieres or promotional/publicityappearences, i could live with that. i just want to see her on the silver screen...and the oscar stage.

While I'm certainly not saying "my fandom is better than your fandom", I take it you haven't been a fan of Emma's for a long time? Because honestly, if you take only her appearance in the HP movies, without any background/ personal information, there's not much that would make a lasting impression (on me, at least).

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 06:38 PM

I am sorry but I am not a stalker nor someone who cares about what a celebrity does with their life personally. I dont see why some people on here get so irritated over Emma's education plans or over Emma not revealing personal/private information about herself. Would any of you be willing to reveal personal information about yourselves to people on here-people whom you have never met? If you were in Emma's shoes, would you be willing to share private/personal information with fans (in other words, people who are total strangers?). My guess is no. Again I am a teacher-we are in the public eye at times ourselves. Do we reveal personal information to our students or even our students' parents? No we dont. Do they like me less or respect me less for not being more open with my life? No. I just think that there some who need to respect Emma's privacy a heck of alot more and quit moaning over the fact that she doesnt share what she does with her life 24/7.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:28 PM

cbmac12, on 01 Jun 2013 - 20:28, said:
Oh Lord....drama is back....see yall....

cbmac accusing other people of causing drama is pretty lulzy. I don't know what your problem is, only that you have one.

Comparing fans to stalkers doesn't work logically. Some people here obsess over Emma's clothes or makeup, which is much creepier IMO. Still, it's not harmful in any way.
You give no reasons why we should discount the importance of image/ recognizable personality to an artist, because there simply are no reasons for that; other than "I wouldn't want anyone to know anything about me either!". Somehow, the obvious consequence doesn't appear to you: not giving any interviews at all.

Btw, stop comparing yourself to a movie star because you're a teacher FFS. That's another analogy that doesn't work.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:36 PM

For me, Emma has always defined herself by her personality and her statements. Her part as Hermione was, well, a nice part as a supporting actress. But nobody would talk about her anymore, if she would only be remembered as the "brightest witch of her age". Look at the other femal characters of HP - they would be completly forgotten, if they would not be so active in Twitter (see Bonnie Wright for example).

 

Emma was not only a child-actress, but from a very early age also a human beeing with a message and a own opinion. And for this many people love her. The discussion abut her education, her university ecc .are resulting out of the fact, that nobody has actual statements about her point of view. I mean, she is still sold (also in this forum) as a "rolemodel", "down to earth", "keen to learn" ecc. ecc. I think, she has changed many of her points of view over the last years, but instead of giving her fans new insights and new looks on her personality, she is becoming more and more a characterless, alone pretty face. And this is sad, because in short time she will for many people only a nameless beauty face.....

Her interviews are telling us all more or less the same. There is nothing really new to learn about her (besides the fact that a journalist ist not worth to be seated in the livingroom; the kitchen is good enough).

 

I have more and more the opinion, that she was pretty well choached by Warner Brother over the years and was "left alone" after HP ended. And she has still no real idea how to let her fans participate at her life.


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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:46 PM

Jonny Carinthia, on 01 Jun 2013 - 21:34, said:
But nobody would talk about her anymore, if she would only be remembered as the "brightest witch of her age". Look at the other femal characters of HP - they would be completly forgotten, if they would not be so active in Twitter (see Bonnie Wright for example).

Emma was not only a child-actress, but from a very early age also a human beeing with a message and a own opinion.

Exactly. I don't think her limited screen time in HP allowed her to shine more than Bonnie Wright or Evanna Lynch. They were all good choices casting-wise and transported their characters adequately. Emma stood out among them for reasons that had not much to do with show biz.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 09:25 PM

 without any background/ personal information, there's not much that would make a lasting impression (on me, at least).

 

 

 

i don't need to know things about her personal life and private affairs, to find her appealing and attractive as a person and as a performer. i have never understood why people want to look behind the curtain of fame, why you want to disspell the illusion of fame/persona/screen idol/etc. i am perfectly happy not knowing that much about her, outside of her cinemtic talents, and her education goals in the public arena. i'll give you an example further....i love seeing the fabulous actor Denzel Washington on screen, in huge movies, a really great actor, and i know next to nothing about him offscreen. you know what? i much prefer it like that, as my being a fan of his cinematic talents, cannot be disappointed by the 'reality' that the tabloid-trashmedia would seek to throw into my fanship, were i to want to look behind the mask of fame. the same applies to Emma, and i willingly remain in blissful fanship of her, the trashmedia be damned.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 10:16 AM

i don't need to know things about her personal life and private affairs, to find her appealing and attractive as a person and as a performer. i have never understood why people want to look behind the curtain of fame, why you want to disspell the illusion of fame/persona/screen idol/etc. i am perfectly happy not knowing that much about her, outside of her cinemtic talents, and her education goals in the public arena. i'll give you an example further....i love seeing the fabulous actor Denzel Washington on screen, in huge movies, a really great actor, and i know next to nothing about him offscreen. you know what? i much prefer it like that, as my being a fan of his cinematic talents, cannot be disappointed by the 'reality' that the tabloid-trashmedia would seek to throw into my fanship, were i to want to look behind the mask of fame. the same applies to Emma, and i willingly remain in blissful fanship of her, the trashmedia be damned.

I get your point, I was simply wondering because in the case of Emma, especially if we talk about HP only, there wasn't so much one could say about her talent as an actress. She very much had to set out and prove that after HP ended.

Btw, it's not like the only off-screen coverage Emma gets comes from tabloids and pap shots; i.e. the NY Times isn't "trash media". There's a real opportunity for insightful, even thought provoking interviews there, if Emma is willing to go that route.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:47 PM

Sometimes, I think, there is a big misunderstanding under way here. I (and others here) are accused to want to know "private details" of her life. For example, if she prefers the right or the left side of the bed, if she drinks mineral water to her "Eggs Bernard", served to the bedroom by Will on a Sunday morning or stuff like that....

 

When I started my interest in her (after I saw her in "My week with Marilyn"), I quickly thought that it must a great thing to have dinner with her and talk to her about this and that.... Because Emma Watson is not only a pretty face, but also a rare human beeing with, what I call, "unbeatable personality".

 

I have met many, many people during my time at the bank. Many of them tried to behave like "important ones", many of them wanted to be treated like "important ones", some of them where indeed "important" - and then there was a handful of people, which were really "Important", because when they entered the room, there was personality, charisma, a clear message. For me, I tried to learn from them.

 

I remember two specific guys. One, Fabio Luisi, is a conductor (now at the MET in NY), the other one is Maximilian Schell (Oscar-winner for "Judgment at Nuremberg"). In the 10 years I worked with Luisi, he never ever had to change a desicion he had made. He told me, what to do, and then the case was closed. And, and this is the most important thing, he remembered his desicion after years! I made him a compliment about that, and asked him how he could manage it. He said: "If you conduct a orchestra of 120 musicians, what do you think would happen if you change your mind every minute or do not remember what you want.... They would kill you in half an hour...."

 

Schell, on the other hand, was talkative and funny. We had two talkshows with him for important customers, and he chatted with our host about Hollywood, his films and also about Angelina Jolie (he is her godfather). And he said a sentence, I always remember. "It's good becoming old. Because there is a certain point, at which you can look life in the face and say: Hit me, come on. I have experienced everything possible, so I have no intention to care about other people and there opinions anymore...."

 

What I will say with this: I still do not know, if Maesto Luisi sleeps on the left or right side of the bed and I do not know if Mr. Schell drinks water to his eggs in the morning, but I got two very important messages (for me) from these guys and I know how they see important things in life. And I understand their artistic life and their point of view and some of the decisions, they had made for her career or private life.

 

It is a pitty that Emma never looks into this forum. Because it would be such a great thing if she would share with us points of views, opinions, sometimes also a funny bit. She could easily create a "adult image" of the unbeatable Emma Watson, a image with a beautiful face, magical eyes and so much, she could tell us. Beeing a rolemodel must not be over after the biggest movie franchise of all times comes to an end.....

 

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:15 PM

If Emma was a close friend of yours, you would know those things.

 

But that's the point.

 

 

You aren't friends with her. You're her fan.

 

You aren't chatting with her. An interview isn't the same as a private conversation.

 

It's the opposite of private.

 

 

Just because you're comfortable knowing more about Emma's personal thoughts and feelings, doesn't mean she should feel comfortable broadcasting them to millions of people.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:20 PM

If Emma was a close friend of yours, you would know those things.

 

But that's the point.

 

 

You aren't friends with her. You're her fan.

 

You aren't chatting with her. An interview isn't the same as a private conversation.

 

It's the opposite of private.

 

 

Just because you're comfortable knowing more about Emma's personal thoughts and feelings, doesn't mean she should feel comfortable broadcasting them to millions of people.

 

I am not a close friend of Mr. Luisi, I saw Mr. Schell only three times in my life - and they were able to give me what you call "personal feelings and thoughts" without any fear that they would be in the media the next day. Schell talked to 2 x 600 guests and he said very interesting and personal things.
 

And sorry, do you really think that Emma is telling her friends on which side of the bed she sleeps? Come on!
 

You want her to be a pretty face without personality and background. I want her to remain the stunning and charismatic personality, she has always been,


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:24 PM

You want her to be a pretty face without personality and background. I want her to remain the stunning and charismatic personality, she has always been,

 

In other words, the difference between an actor and a celebrity.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

Not exactly. Schell is a charismatic actor AND a celebrity. You can be a actor AND a human beeing with a message. Like Peter Ustinov, for example.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 03:30 PM

And what if she doesn't want to be both? What if she doesn't want to have a "message"?

 

Can't she just try to be a well-regarded actor and nothing else?

 

Do you really need to criticize that choice?


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