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#41 Sacred_Path

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:08 PM

For a good actress it should be no question if you like personally a sexual practice, you have to perform in a non explicit form in a movie. It is - like many other things - part of the job and I think, the film industrie has a lot of things to make shooting such scenes decent and comfortable for all involved (see Keira Knightley in 'Dangerous Method').

I don't think so. If you have a problem with the glorification of violence in pop culture, it doesn't make you a worse actor/ actress if you don't accept that kind of role, for instance. Of course you could call it a lack of acting prowess if someone doesn't manage to play some specific role convincingly, but then there are limits to everything and also to what an audience accepts from a given person. If you can't overcome their disbelief it's not entirely your fault IMO.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:12 PM

I don't think so. If you have a problem with the glorification of violence in pop culture, it doesn't make you a worse actor/ actress if you don't accept that kind of role, for instance. Of course you could call it a lack of acting prowess if someone doesn't manage to play some specific role convincingly, but then there are limits to everything and also to what an audience accepts from a given person. If you can't overcome their disbelief it's not entirely your fault IMO.

 

So, if I follow your arguments, we will see her for the rest of our lifes only in fairytales, teenager-movies and sex- and crime free Sunday-afternoon--movies? Did she sign a contract with Disney????????


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:33 PM

Or maybe, as time progresses, her preferences will change and she will grow and develop as an actor.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:39 PM

Or maybe, as time progresses, her preferences will change and she will grow and develop as an actor.

 

This, Roberto, is the real problem: you cannot grow in hassle-free, cozy movies with no real challenge for an actor or actress. It is no real challenge to play the Beauty in "Beauty and the Beast", it is no real challenge to be a fairy-queen in a movie for children - and so on. But it is a challenge to play a mentaly unstable girl (like in YVIMH). No one of her parts she did after Potter challenged her in any way - well, maybe kissing Eddie and Logan as exception.

She really needs dramatic parts in dramatic movies.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:52 PM

Yeah, I mean, who's ever learned anything from Guillermo Del Toro or Darren Aronofsky?

 

Bunch of studio shills, I'm sure.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:58 PM

Yeah, I mean, who's ever learned anything from Guillermo Del Toro or Darren Aronofsky?

 

Bunch of studio shills, I'm sure.

 

Oh, I bet you could. You could learn a lot from these guys in DEMANDING, complex and difficult characters and roles.

Not as a princess in a fairytale (Beauty (sic!) and the Beast) or in a supporting role in a bible-fairytale (again).


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:26 PM

So, if I follow your arguments, we will see her for the rest of our lifes only in fairytales, teenager-movies and sex- and crime free Sunday-afternoon--movies? Did she sign a contract with Disney????????

Nah. The learning process I'm thinking of will happen naturally on its own as she matures. Which doesn't mean that she'll definitely take on roles like 50 Shades when she's older of course. Come to think of it, it must be hard to relate to a sexual fetish you don't have, and it's hard to be convincing if you can't relate to something. I have no idea why some men like to wear women's shoes, for example. And acting like it for a whole movie would be... tough. ;)

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:36 PM

Nah. The learning process I'm thinking of will happen naturally on its own as she matures.

 

For heavens sake, the girl/woman is 23! How long do you grant her to mature? Until 65? Other human femals having a family, children and a lot of responsibility at this age.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:39 PM

What if a family and children were exactly the catalysts that would help her to mature? There's a huge difference between being 20 and 30 IMO. Especially as far as sorting out all kinds of confusions goes, which is the vibe I'm getting strongly from Emma right now.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:42 PM

What if a family and children were exactly the catalysts that would help her to mature?

 

You should talk to William, I suppose?


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:42 PM

His body is ready.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:44 PM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:19 PM

Just a note about 50 Shades: The actor who was meant to play the lead male role pulled out of the film just the other day and I've heard it's not because of "scheduling conflicts" as they tried to lead everyone to believe. So, in the case of that particular role, it seems like NOBODY is really willing to do it. Which is a good thing because it's a disgusting book that glamourizes an abusive relationship (and, no, I am not anti-BDSM in general-- er, for other people-- but the portrayal of that in the series is NOT a healthy BDSM relationship). 

 

As for any actress' willingness to do any type of simulated sex on screen... choosing to do so or not to do so is her prerogative. If she doesn't want to then she doesn't want to and that is the END of the story, just as ANY woman or man has a say in what they do with their own body.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

Just a note about 50 Shades: The actor who was meant to play the lead male role pulled out of the film just the other day and I've heard it's not because of "scheduling conflicts" as they tried to lead everyone to believe. So, in the case of that particular role, it seems like NOBODY is really willing to do it. Which is a good thing because it's a disgusting book that glamourizes an abusive relationship (and, no, I am not anti-BDSM in general-- er, for other people-- but the portrayal of that in the series is NOT a healthy BDSM relationship). 

 

As for any actress' willingness to do any type of simulated sex on screen... choosing to do so or not to do so is her prerogative. If she doesn't want to then she doesn't want to and that is the END of the story, just as ANY woman or man has a say in what they do with their own body.

 

Of course, doing a movie like "50 Shades" needs very good actors.Healthy is, what the involved persons considering healthy for themselves.

But 50 Shades is only the tip of the iceberg of turned down projects by Emma. So.....


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:36 PM

IMDB has a Sam Taylor-Johnson listed for director, is that still up to date? Because she doesn't exactly seem to have much experience in the feature film category.
Which is probably why people are copping out; not because it's particularly disgusting, but if you want to get naked and kinky with low production values, you could just do porn.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:39 PM

Why does everyone think that 50 Shades is porn? It's like "9 1/2 weeks" or "Eyes wide shut". Nobody is considering these highly erotic movies as "porn"....


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:43 PM

I didn't say that 50 Shades is porn, only that the dividing line is very, very thin. ;)

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:45 PM

I didn't say that 50 Shades is porn, only that the dividing line is very, very thin. ;)

 

Mnah, I don't think so. Maybe the directors-cut. Not the cinema-version. Hashtag: "Cashcow"


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:49 PM

The story was adapted from a Twilight fanfic.

 

Not quite on the same level as Kubrick.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 07:07 PM

I've read it. It's horrible. And depicts actual sexual abuse, like allowing the man to do whatever he feels like even when the female narrator is objecting to it. Ugh.






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