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#41 berrytea33

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

Oh Ashley, you are like all the other "fans". No real answers, just insults....

It is my thing in which form and why I am a fan of Emma.

I simply do not believe her and I am not convinced, that her form of "study" was really soooooooooooooooooooooo hard.

She ran away from Brown after a short time and then - online learning. What a fake.....

Why is she telling us such stories? Does she really thinks that nobody will ask questions about her fairytales?

 

So, according to you, every single person who chooses to do online learning is a fake, correct?



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 07:58 AM

So, according to you, every single person who chooses to do online learning is a fake, correct?

 

No. I say that the way it is presented to us gives way to a lot of questions.

 

I try to explain it. In my country you can do under certain circumstances also "online learning" at universities. BUT: twice a year, at the end of a term, you have to show up in person at the university. You have to go through a very difficult oral exam and during that exam you have to show without any sign of doubt, that you are the author of what you handed in. You must know what was written, why it was written and you have to know in detail all the facts. All sources, you used, must be presented by you and you have to show your knowledge. They even have now computer programs, able to find out "copy and paste" pieces in your written stuff. Any cheating is impossible. After that process, taking a full day, your "online studies" can be verified and from that point on it counts like you were present at all the lectures ecc. at the university.

 

In contrast, we never heard that Emma did any exams at all. You know, there are fans out there, knowing exactly the whereabouts of Emma. Never in the last 2-3 years it was said that she was at Brown again. I always got the impression, that the american people are very proud of their universities and that a degree from one of them is a door-opener to success, because everybody knows, if you survived 3-4 years of exeptional hard working at a university, you are fit for life.

 

And my simple question to all the people in this forum from the US is: is the way, Ems got her degree, a way, open to all people? Sitting at home, writing stuff, email them and - bang - here is the degree????


Edited by Jonny Carinthia, 04 July 2014 - 07:59 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:27 AM

No. I say that the way it is presented to us gives way to a lot of questions.

 

I try to explain it. In my country you can do under certain circumstances also "online learning" at universities. BUT: twice a year, at the end of a term, you have to show up in person at the university. You have to go through a very difficult oral exam and during that exam you have to show without any sign of doubt, that you are the author of what you handed in. You must know what was written, why it was written and you have to know in detail all the facts. All sources, you used, must be presented by you and you have to show your knowledge. They even have now computer programs, able to find out "copy and paste" pieces in your written stuff. Any cheating is impossible. After that process, taking a full day, your "online studies" can be verified and from that point on it counts like you were present at all the lectures ecc. at the university.

 

In contrast, we never heard that Emma did any exams at all. You know, there are fans out there, knowing exactly the whereabouts of Emma. Never in the last 2-3 years it was said that she was at Brown again. I always got the impression, that the american people are very proud of their universities and that a degree from one of them is a door-opener to success, because everybody knows, if you survived 3-4 years of exeptional hard working at a university, you are fit for life.

 

And my simple question to all the people in this forum from the US is: is the way, Ems got her degree, a way, open to all people? Sitting at home, writing stuff, email them and - bang - here is the degree????

Emma did mention exams several times, and I am sure she went there in person as well, you dont expect paparazzi photos of that coz none were allowed close to the university, she collaborated with her teachers because she had to, and she mentioned that too, coz she wanted to do the harry potter promotion around the world and to do her homework and go to exams in the same time and her teachers told her emma you are exhausted, you cant do all these things, so she took several breaks. if i could talk to a friend of hers like sophie or a uni friend then yes, they could tell you yes emma attended this and this at uni, why? coz even if she is a millionaire and a celebrity, she acted like a normal person and wanted to go to school, she said she did not want to be treated like a celeb.

even if she is a millionaire, nobody can bribe IVY LEAGUE PROFESSORS. You have to admit it, everything she does is wrong, she is retarded because she changes her mind on things and never does anything good, you have this mind set. Just because she does not have a 9-5 job does not mean she does not work hard, if i could be an actress as highly paid as her and have 3 movies a year i would be as happy as pharrell in the happy video.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 11:33 AM

Sorry, Elena. For reasons you will call "creepy" I have a very good overview about Emmas interviews and statements of the last years (since 2011, to be exact). And in NO interview or statement she spoke about exams at Brown. She literally started to say nothing about her education at Brown resp. Worchester around that time. I am not a stalker in a way you would describe it, but as you know there are pages on the net, giving you detailed informations, were she is at the moment. NEVER in all these years was mentioned that she was physically at Brown again.
 

I do not talk about her education during Potter. I am only talking about her work at university. And the way she earned her degree.

 

And, well if you are jetting around the world, changing time-zones every few days as she did, you body will be "exhausted". This is not hard work, it is fun, because you see the world and get paid for it. Don't be so foolish to compare a McDonalds-shift at the grill, a bus drivers shift at London, a job as nanny or nurse (f.e. a nurse with disabled old people) with a superb movie premiere somewhere in the world, where her only "work" is to be beautiful. It is simply not true that she is "hard working", "working" is something totally different.


Edited by Jonny Carinthia, 04 July 2014 - 11:34 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

Sorry, Elena. For reasons you will call "creepy" I have a very good overview about Emmas interviews and statements of the last years (since 2011, to be exact). And in NO interview or statement she spoke about exams at Brown. She literally started to say nothing about her education at Brown resp. Worchester around that time. I am not a stalker in a way you would describe it, but as you know there are pages on the net, giving you detailed informations, were she is at the moment. NEVER in all these years was mentioned that she was physically at Brown again.
 

I do not talk about her education during Potter. I am only talking about her work at university. And the way she earned her degree.

 

And, well if you are jetting around the world, changing time-zones every few days as she did, you body will be "exhausted". This is not hard work, it is fun, because you see the world and get paid for it. Don't be so foolish to compare a McDonalds-shift at the grill, a bus drivers shift at London, a job as nanny or nurse (f.e. a nurse with disabled old people) with a superb movie premiere somewhere in the world, where her only "work" is to be beautiful. It is simply not true that she is "hard working", "working" is something totally different.

i don't call those 'reasons' creepy nor you. I call this the end. I will no longer reply on anything about/related with  this subject.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:23 PM

No subject has ever been more discussed or less relevant than this.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:50 PM

:lol:  Instead of bringing good arguments that I am wrong, they putting the head in the sand and.......
So I think, I am right. It is a faked degree. Last argument: why are there so few online-students and why are all young people rushing into the universities? I mean, why struggling in a dorm for years with a grumpy roommate or so and at crowded lectures, if it is possible to do it with all comfort in you own flat or house? Would be much cheaper for the parents and the students...... Sorry, Ems, but this story is so full of contradictions, even Luke cannot fix it.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:35 PM

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists

A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc. 

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length. 

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make. 

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth. 

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account. 

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same. 

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot. 

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist. 

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely. 

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question. 

A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore. 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:25 PM

Sorry, Elena. For reasons you will call "creepy" I have a very good overview about Emmas interviews and statements of the last years (since 2011, to be exact). And in NO interview or statement she spoke about exams at Brown. She literally started to say nothing about her education at Brown resp. Worchester around that time. I am not a stalker in a way you would describe it, but as you know there are pages on the net, giving you detailed informations, were she is at the moment. NEVER in all these years was mentioned that she was physically at Brown again.
 

I do not talk about her education during Potter. I am only talking about her work at university. And the way she earned her degree.

 

And, well if you are jetting around the world, changing time-zones every few days as she did, you body will be "exhausted". This is not hard work, it is fun, because you see the world and get paid for it. Don't be so foolish to compare a McDonalds-shift at the grill, a bus drivers shift at London, a job as nanny or nurse (f.e. a nurse with disabled old people) with a superb movie premiere somewhere in the world, where her only "work" is to be beautiful. It is simply not true that she is "hard working", "working" is something totally different.

 

Please cite the source which states it is mandatory for Brown students, especially Emma Watson, to speak about exams.  (FYI:  Your sock puppet does not count as a source.)



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:47 PM

I try to explain it. In my country you can do under certain circumstances also "online learning" at universities. BUT: twice a year, at the end of a term, you have to show up in person at the university. You have to go through a very difficult oral exam and during that exam you have to show without any sign of doubt, that you are the author of what you handed in. You must know what was written, why it was written and you have to know in detail all the facts. All sources, you used, must be presented by you and you have to show your knowledge. They even have now computer programs, able to find out "copy and paste" pieces in your written stuff. Any cheating is impossible. After that process, taking a full day, your "online studies" can be verified and from that point on it counts like you were present at all the lectures ecc. at the university.

 

Yup. This all exists EVERYWHERE. You say "They even have now computer programs, able to find out "copy and paste" pieces in your written stuff" like this is some new technology, but it ISN'T. This has been SUPER common since before I was even in high school. You can just GOOGLE "plagiarism checker" and find one. This isn't exclusively for online students. You have to do a presentation of ANY thesis you submit, for the same reason. Sources need to be cited in EVERY assignment you hand in. Even if you attend EVERY lecture.

 

Also, one of my good friends is an Austrian university student and hers doesn't really work this way, which shows that there must be a quite a few different systems in the world. However, I have no doubt that a school like Brown has one of the more rigorous systems.

 

In contrast, we never heard that Emma did any exams at all. 

 

Hmmmmm. https://twitter.com/...920194002149376

 

 

And, well if you are jetting around the world, changing time-zones every few days as she did, you body will be "exhausted".

 

My friend works for F1 and so she obviously travels for work (nearly every week... and on weeks she's off she travels to other places for fun), but she still does a lot of stuff. I'm fairly sure Emma could have easily done school work while travelling. 

 

 

:lol:  Instead of bringing good arguments that I am wrong, they putting the head in the sand and.......
So I think, I am right. It is a faked degree. Last argument: why are there so few online-students and why are all young people rushing into the universities? I mean, why struggling in a dorm for years with a grumpy roommate or so and at crowded lectures, if it is possible to do it with all comfort in you own flat or house? Would be much cheaper for the parents and the students...... Sorry, Ems, but this story is so full of contradictions, even Luke cannot fix it.

 

Again, you're very removed from universities it seems. I mean, the experience of uni is GREAT. Making friends who have similar interests to you, attending lectures and such is actually super rewarding. Typically you only live with a "grumpy roommate" in your first year when you are assigned dorms, and then you live with friends. Distance learning does usually take a bit longer (i.e. 5 years instead of 4, just like in Emma's case) so many students would like to do the full course load in less time. Plus, distance learning is significantly more difficult since a lot of it is self directed. There's support, obviously, but you still need to be incredibly self motivated to achieve deadlines on time since you're not a set schedule of lectures, labs, conferences and whatnot. It's not really cheaper... tuition will cost about the same (but a bit more if you're taking more time to finish your degree... you pay for the extra semesters, obviously). If you're attending university or not it still costs money to live-- you'll be paying for an apartment and bills and whatnot regardless. 

 

Also, more students are probably doing online learning than you think. Not necessarily their whole degree (because, again, the experience and whatnot) but plenty of people I know will do online classes. My friend goes to McGill University (which is a very high ranking university in Canada-- ranks considerably higher than Brown http://www.theguardi...igher-education) and she does a large portion of hers... also doing a degree in English. 


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

Yup. This all exists EVERYWHERE. You say "They even have now computer programs, able to find out "copy and paste" pieces in your written stuff" like this is some new technology, but it ISN'T. This has been SUPER common since before I was even in high school. You can just GOOGLE "plagiarism checker" and find one. This isn't exclusively for online students. You have to do a presentation of ANY thesis you submit, for the same reason. Sources need to be cited in EVERY assignment you hand in. Even if you attend EVERY lecture.

Also, one of my good friends is an Austrian university student and hers doesn't really work this way, which shows that there must be a quite a few different systems in the world. However, I have no doubt that a school like Brown has one of the more rigorous systems.


Hmmmmm. https://twitter.com/...920194002149376



My friend works for F1 and so she obviously travels for work (nearly every week... and on weeks she's off she travels to other places for fun), but she still does a lot of stuff. I'm fairly sure Emma could have easily done school work while travelling.



Again, you're very removed from universities it seems. I mean, the experience of uni is GREAT. Making friends who have similar interests to you, attending lectures and such is actually super rewarding. Typically you only live with a "grumpy roommate" in your first year when you are assigned dorms, and then you live with friends. Distance learning does usually take a bit longer (i.e. 5 years instead of 4, just like in Emma's case) so many students would like to do the full course load in less time. Plus, distance learning is significantly more difficult since a lot of it is self directed. There's support, obviously, but you still need to be incredibly self motivated to achieve deadlines on time since you're not a set schedule of lectures, labs, conferences and whatnot. It's not really cheaper... tuition will cost about the same (but a bit more if you're taking more time to finish your degree... you pay for the extra semesters, obviously). If you're attending university or not it still costs money to live-- you'll be paying for an apartment and bills and whatnot regardless.

Also, more students are probably doing online learning than you think. Not necessarily their whole degree (because, again, the experience and whatnot) but plenty of people I know will do online classes. My friend goes to McGill University (which is a very high ranking university in Canada-- ranks considerably higher than Brown http://www.theguardi...igher-education) and she does a large portion of hers... also doing a degree in English.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 09:01 PM

You may. :)

 

Also, in re: why everyone isn't doing distance education: Why does ANYONE do anything the same way as the majority of people? Because it is the DONE THING. A lot of people don't really think of how they best learn things. Many people finish high school and see a traditional university setting as the next logical step. THIS WILL CHANGE. Just as much of our world changes as technology advances, you will see more and more people partaking in exclusively online/digital education. But right now, it's still rather obscure, in the grand scheme of things. 



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Posted 05 July 2014 - 03:29 AM

All I know from people I know, and from my own experience, people go on campus for the experience.
ALOT of people take online classes who are older and work and have families.

From my own experience, being on campus is a lot easier because you aren't on your own. I appalled anyone who does online classes because they require a lot more work. You not only have to teach yourself, but you also have to do all the assignments.

For exams, the only oral exam I have ever had to perform was for my french class. Every other exam I had to be on campus to take the exam.

I'm sure if Emma had to be on campus for her exam, she would take a day or two to take them. It's really not hard.

I'm very tired and don't even know of this makes sense at all but I tried

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 06:17 AM

I am sick and tired of all that arguing like he's a know-it-all. blah, I'm bored!


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:30 AM

I am sick and tired of all that arguing like he's a know-it-all. blah, I'm bored!


Haha I'm completely frustrated
He still hasn't answered me about why he's a fan of Emmas when all he does is bash her

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 10:36 AM

Haha I'm completely frustrated
He still hasn't answered me about why he's a fan of Emmas when all he does is bash her

actually he asnwered it many times, but still unclear.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

actually he asnwered it many times, but still unclear.


Haha I guess it was since I never saw it

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:43 PM

Haha I guess it was since I never saw it

all he ever wrote never made any sense.


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 05:47 PM

Once again for someone who ATTENDED USA colleges I will explain. This time I really want the foolish person to LISTEN. When you attend a US COLLEGE, there is such thing as TAKING CLASSES ON LINE as my friends and I are currently doing. We have to do this silly thing called WORK to earn money which Emma was doing too SINCE THAT IS HER JOB. This is what I think we as non-celebrity world don't realize. Yes celebrities such as actors, actresses, and sports athletes earn a boatload of money but they still WORK and it is their JOB. But getting back to Emma what this guy doesn't seem to get : EMMA CHOSE TO ATTEND COLLEGE. She was not told or forced or convinced- SHE chose of her own free will. Let's face it-Emma and Rupert and Dan could have retired 20 times over all before their 18th birthdays. But getting back to schools-my cousin's best friend is working to pay her way thru college so she is not getting much campus life as she takes courses on line. She is hoping to get to experience more campus life next year. But in the meantime, she is attending some classes while others are on line. So please to that person who is not even from the US, do not discuss things you don't know anything about. Also most schools here in the US do the whole on line thing now that technology is so expanded.

Elena TRUE THAT!!!!!!!! ;)

Ashley, we have ALL given up asking why he is here. Just either ignore the ignorant person or keep arguing with him. My best advice though is to completely ignore.

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