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Nop. No one asked for more pretty pictures of Emma or for meet and greets or for her to attend fan conventions. IOW, no one asked for her to assume the role of a celebrity more often. What I ask for is for Emma to be as open and opinionated as she used to be; essentially, for her to acknowledge the difference between an artist and any other kind of professional. Contact with the audience and a recognizable personality is key for any artist.Roberto, on 02 Jun 2013 - 17:22, said:
In other words, the difference between an actor and a celebrity.
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I get your point, I was simply wondering because in the case of Emma, especially if we talk about HP only, there wasn't so much one could say about her talent as an actress. She very much had to set out and prove that after HP ended.i don't need to know things about her personal life and private affairs, to find her appealing and attractive as a person and as a performer. i have never understood why people want to look behind the curtain of fame, why you want to disspell the illusion of fame/persona/screen idol/etc. i am perfectly happy not knowing that much about her, outside of her cinemtic talents, and her education goals in the public arena. i'll give you an example further....i love seeing the fabulous actor Denzel Washington on screen, in huge movies, a really great actor, and i know next to nothing about him offscreen. you know what? i much prefer it like that, as my being a fan of his cinematic talents, cannot be disappointed by the 'reality' that the tabloid-trashmedia would seek to throw into my fanship, were i to want to look behind the mask of fame. the same applies to Emma, and i willingly remain in blissful fanship of her, the trashmedia be damned.
Btw, it's not like the only off-screen coverage Emma gets comes from tabloids and pap shots; i.e. the NY Times isn't "trash media". There's a real opportunity for insightful, even thought provoking interviews there, if Emma is willing to go that route.
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Exactly. I don't think her limited screen time in HP allowed her to shine more than Bonnie Wright or Evanna Lynch. They were all good choices casting-wise and transported their characters adequately. Emma stood out among them for reasons that had not much to do with show biz.Jonny Carinthia, on 01 Jun 2013 - 21:34, said:
But nobody would talk about her anymore, if she would only be remembered as the "brightest witch of her age". Look at the other femal characters of HP - they would be completly forgotten, if they would not be so active in Twitter (see Bonnie Wright for example).
Emma was not only a child-actress, but from a very early age also a human beeing with a message and a own opinion.
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cbmac accusing other people of causing drama is pretty lulzy. I don't know what your problem is, only that you have one.cbmac12, on 01 Jun 2013 - 20:28, said:
Oh Lord....drama is back....see yall....
Comparing fans to stalkers doesn't work logically. Some people here obsess over Emma's clothes or makeup, which is much creepier IMO. Still, it's not harmful in any way.
You give no reasons why we should discount the importance of image/ recognizable personality to an artist, because there simply are no reasons for that; other than "I wouldn't want anyone to know anything about me either!". Somehow, the obvious consequence doesn't appear to you: not giving any interviews at all.
Btw, stop comparing yourself to a movie star because you're a teacher FFS. That's another analogy that doesn't work.
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People are accepting her in roles other than Hermione, and she delivers in these roles. The issue you have in mind doesn't seem to exist in reality.Her goal is to become an accomplished actor. This becomes very difficult when people are constantly comparing everything you do with HP.
Yes, suspension of disbelief is a huge deal for any serious actor. Without it, we're just watching some actors pretend to be other people for a couple hours.
This is a very real problem, and she has a long way to go until it can be solved.
I don't think her foremost goal is to make people forget about Hermione. But even if it was, there are several ways to go about it. Of course she can simply try to keep her real personality out of the media for 10 years; but that's not very efficient, or honest, or guaranteed to succeed. You can change your image by simply being upfront about the changes you're going through; I don't think that her problem is credibility. People tend to believe her. So why not simply share more personal information as you go along, and hope that people accept that you've changed/ aren't stagnating?She absolutely can make people forget about HP. It won't be easy or quick, but it's definitely possible.
If she can establish herself with a market that never cared about HP, then that audience won't have that emotional baggage to taint her performance.
two of her acknowledged role models, Jodie Foster and Natalie Portman, have been very succesful in different roles without keeping their personalities locked away.If she just replaces her HP persona with a new one, then she'll still be limiting herself.
Personas are very constricting to an actor. It puts you in a box and doesn't let you leave it.
She wants the freedom to try new things without the backlash of unfair expectations.
I wouldn't call standing by your personality/ opinions "creating unnecessary drama". Sure it's possible that personally she's tired of having her statements dissected by press/ the public. I just don't think that the natural reaction is trying to be an actress without an attitude.Personal information can often be used against you in ways you would never imagine.
You can't just tell you're biggest fans something personal and have it be just between them.
The media loves to take the simplest of insights and blow it out of proportion. This creates unnecessary drama and it will often do more harm than good.
While I'm certainly not saying "my fandom is better than your fandom", I take it you haven't been a fan of Emma's for a long time? Because honestly, if you take only her appearance in the HP movies, without any background/ personal information, there's not much that would make a lasting impression (on me, at least).i agree with Roberto, and truth be told, i am much more the fan of Emma the actress, than the celebrity/reality individual. if i never knew anything about her offscreen, other than what she publicly revealed at events such as recarpet premieres or promotional/publicityappearences, i could live with that. i just want to see her on the silver screen...and the oscar stage.
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Welp, we don't know what her goals are. You're supporting Emma's position that suspension of disbelief is hard to achieve and must be a priority. OTOH, Emma seems to be convincing in her role as Nicki, so this is no insurmountable problem to her.It seems to me like you want Emma to become a certain type of actress that doesn't really align with her own goals.
The goal of a character actor should be to transform into a character that the audience fully believes is real.
She's been very open during her HP time. She can neither make people forget about that nor suddenly turn that image on its head (that wouldn't be credible). What I'd like to see is her keeping on being so open, and embracing any changes in her image that may come with it. The HP legacy certainly inhibits her; young girls looking up at you with gleaming eyes and saying "you're my rolemodel" aren't easy to brush aside.If Emma wants to achieve that, she has to completely destroy that "persona" that was created with HP, and make sure she doesn't create a new one in the process.
She IS giving interviews/ attending events. She doesn't hide. Therefore, she could just as well use those interviews to really give insights about what's on her mind. The press doesn't care; as long as they can tout an interview with a famous actress on the cover, they don't mind if it consists of the same old, same old. The ones who really are hurt [pause for dramatic effect] are her fans. They are left wanting for her to shed some light on what's really going on in her life.Obviously that's something that will take years to truly accomplish, but it's going to have to involve a certain level of privacy that you apparently don't agree with.
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She has been an actress in the past as well, but since the end of HP, she's been very reluctant with statements that could be translated into any form of image. Maybe it's her strategy; we know that she believes that giving away too much could hinder people's suspension of disbelief. But for me as a consumer, it's much less interesting to watch a non-descript actress' performance. I much prefer to have an impression of someone as a person and then see how that plays out on screen, even or especially if the role seems at odds with their personality (like Emma in Bling Ring).What does she stand for? Who cares?
She's a freaking actress, not a politician.
Also, I really enjoyed the way she seemed to be sending out signals during her HP years; I got the impression of someone with a message. I wonder if that isn't something she misses, if she's genuinely happy with the way she's perceived nowadays, or if she simply feels she doesn't have anything to share at this point in time.
quite the contrary. I'd still find her interesting even if I didn't agree with her.Is she supposed to try to convince you to like her? Is that her job now?
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cbmac, if she had offered any new insights (maybe in this interview) then there wouldn't be the same old argument about her education that was already going on in another thread.
I think it's sad that someone as intelligent and opinionated as Emma doesn't seem interested anymore in forming any kind of image, of a public persona. It might be that she's needing a break from the celebrity circus, or that she's insecure or unsure about her priorities right now, but anything would be better than nothing. When talking about her roles, she's very broad and unspecific in her statements. Ditto for college, "it was tough but I managed and maybe I'll be writing a book." Plz watch my movies, kthxbye.
What does she stand for? Some nights, I don't know... anymore.
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I would expect a very British reaction from Emma.
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Exactly. I think he falls into the category of guys Emma really favors in her long-term relationships.
There's a realistic way of looking at things, and one of simply approving of everything she does. Both are ok from a fan perspective.
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wut?You and Sacred_Path are just too mean for the forum.
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curiously, in her last interview she claimed she doesn't like a blank canvas.
as for the video, I'm p. sure she has seen this or similar videos before. In one interview she said she used to look up her name on the net, so I'm sure she's aware of the shenanigans of her fans/ admirers.
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There are about a dozen videos of guys singing to Emma for a date. Did she ever intimate that you can win her heart with a song?
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Welp, I already said this is a matter of faith.
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The analogy is quite sound. Exercising everyday with a set intensity is a habit; studying everyday with a certain amount of focus is a habit.Riding a bike isn't a habit. That's a bad analogy.
This isn't about effort. It's about habits.
You're claiming that studying, with a set intensity, isn't about effort - I don't think so. Studying very much requires constant effort. Nowhere (and not in your article) have I read that some people simply can't help but study hard - in a way that it takes no conscious decision - but do so without suffering any exhaustion.
If you habitually studied hard when you were young, you aren't going to reverse that habit with any kind of ease. It's ingrained in your mind.
That's mostly preposterous, for the reasons above.
Let's again take exercising as an example. There are plenty examples of people who upheld a certain regimen of sport during a certain time, but had their efforts diminished over time. Emma herself has brought this issue up in some interviews; stating that she used to do so much sports when she was in elementary/ high school, and that she hadn't realized how tedious it is if you have to arrange all that yourself, adding that she nowadays mostly stops running when she's fatigued or only goes for walks, which is "hopeless."
Interestingly, in this interview she even hints at the ways she's changed from her highschool days; this supports my argument rather than yours. When she talks about the way we're perceived in school, she might mean the way she was regarded to be brainy or nerdy. At Brown, she was no longer in such an intimate environment (as she had been at her boarding school), and it seems a bit of "reinvention" took place there, regarding her habits (putting less emphasis on studying, and more on other activities, like acting).
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Thanks, that's better than my coffee when you've burned your greedy mouth on a pizza
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It's not in any way logical to assume that a person can't change over the course of years. Especially if we're talking about putting your mental faculties to work with as much effort as you're capable of.If certain habits existed in the past, then it is completely logical to assume they still exist today.
It is not very logical to assume her habits fundamentally changed just because her priorities did.
IOW, while we can assume that Emma will always know how to ride a bike, we cannot assume that she will always ride her bike with the same regularity, with the same effort, all her life.
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Welp, I already said this is a matter of faith.
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Of course you deserve a topic. And cake. <3
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On what statistics do you base this opinion?Study habits don't change.
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Except that you're accepting quotes from the past to still be true today without evidence. The HP family could attest to her studious nature, but no one knows if it's still like that. Like I said in that other thread, her public stance on the importance of education has changed. It's not a "logical leap" to assume her attitude has changed accordingly, and that may or may not have resulted in a change of behaviour. Simply assuming that she's still the schoolgirl she used to be has little to do with logic but a lot with faith.Based on every description from everyone who has ever known her.
If they all are consistently describing her like that, then I think it's safe to assume she isn't lazy in this case either.
It doesn't seem like much of a logical leap.
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What gives you reason to believe that she is hard-working all the time?And what gives you reason to believe she is a lazy person?
Personally, I haven't read any quotes from her fellow students or professors describing her as hard-working. Point me to those if they exist.When has anyone ever called her anything other than dedicated and hard-working?
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*sigh*
That quote really doesn't shed much light on her activities. She doesn't even say how long she's been living like a hermit. A lot of people who slack during the year gear up come finals. That quote could just as easily imply laziness.
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Exactly. Since the content of the interview has next to nothing to do with education, it's useful to neither skeptics nor believers in Emma and her education.This whole interview has no focus. They're just having a conversation that wanders from subject to subject.
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Also, we don't know what Emma's priorities are. Is she really following a strategy of minimum public exposure because she doesn't want anything to get between her and an award? I doubt it, as she grants interviews often enough. It's just that when she does give interviews, she seems to always keep her distance.