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    Palestine 194

    in Current Events and Topical discussion

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    Just a quick point to bear in mind for the people who are accusing the Palestinians of being ruled by terrorists, if you were living in a situation where you're entire country has effectively been dismantled and occupied by a force that hasn't lived natively in the area since the Roman empire ejected them, and it has been your historical homeland throughout the Ottoman Empire, to have all that taken away within more or less one lifespan, could you honestly say you would do anything different?

     

    And also consider the situation in Ireland, which actually has quite a few similarities, revolving around statehood intrinsically tied to religion (Loyalists and republicans), and you will find that in order to make any progress towards a peaceful, stable future, it is necessary to all sides to be willing to compromise, and to tackle the issue of terrorism, as well as aggressive militarism from the occupational force with equal vigour, and accept that there will always be a hard-core on both sides that will not be satisfied with any kind of compromise, but the majority of people simply wish to be able to live a normal life, in peace and safety.

     

    The issue of how Israel has acted as a state towards its neighbours, and existing inhabitants since its (artificial) inception however would get a much much more scathing post from me.

    You are talking like that Jews came from diffrent countries and just occupied this country from the Arabs... I am reminding you that Jews came to israel at first because of the antisemitism in Europe, and they have settled in empty lands or bought lands from the arabs, we didn't fought for Arab lands, we got our lands in a legit way. After a while when the Jews developed those lands and built settlements, and defended those lands from arab gangs, the Un said that there should be two states and he gave the UN Partition Plan For Palestine, the Jews accepted it, the Arabs didnt, something like 5 Arab armies attacked Israel, Israel won and got some territories that according to the UN Partiation Plan belonged to the Arabs. If they hadn't attacked us in 1947, they would had probably have a state in these days. And what do you have to say about how that Israel act as a state towards its neightbours and the Arabs that have an Israeli citizenship? There are Arab towns and villages inside Israel that Arabs live there pretty good, there are Arabs in the Israeli Parlament and i can tell you more if you want. And about your question, what I would have done if I were in the same situation as the Palestinians, I am not sure, but I don't think that I would support suicide bombers, or people who are launching rockets from my house.

    Judaism

    in Religious Resource Forum

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    I know how you feel and obviously I agree with you! But, we have to be careful as this is a public forum. Believe me I have gotten in trouble many times for fighting about this exact topic. I know it's hard not to respond, but this isn't the place.

    I still think it's improtant that someone will respond, not to start a fight, just to show our side so people will not hear only one side and will have a choice in what to believe to...

     

    where in israel do you live

    20 minutes from jerusalem, near modi'in, you live in israel?

    Judaism

    in Religious Resource Forum

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    I don't think your intention is to insult anyone here, but what you say might be taken offensively; please choose your words more carefully and try to be as unbiased as possible. It is interesting though, the history you posted - but each side has their own story and there is no "right" or "wrong" answer. We try to keep discussions as level headed and unbiased as possible. Thanks :)

     

     

     

    No sarcasm, please, anyone can contribute to the discussion.

     

     

     

    Thank you, Arie :)

    I am sorry about that, i didn't tryed to insult anyone but it can make you a little pissed when someone is saying terrible things that aren't true about your people, i have bought food today from arabs at a arab city, we didn't throw arabs from here...

    Judaism

    in Religious Resource Forum

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    I really want to know about Judism. My question to you Arie is that none of the religion in this world teaches you to opress someone. Nor it asks you to throw people out of there house & start living in there. What the Jewish scriptures says about the occupied Palestine land.

    What the scriptures can say? When the bible was written the jews were in israel and then we were thrown out of israel, bet there was still a small community of jews in israel... After a long time, when the ottomans occupied this land, jews had started to come to israel(our ancestors land) because of the antisemitism and the zionist ideology, there were arabs here, but they didn't want a state like how that we wanted... The jews settled in empty grounds or bought grounds from the arabs, after the united nations partition plan for palestine, when we declared about our state, 6 arab armys had attacked us and we survived and occupied lands(also in the six day war), the lands that we occupied were joradanian/syrian/egyptian lands, not "palestinian" lands(and we gave some lands back to those states in order to get peace). and really? we throw arab people out of there houses? I think we throwed more jews from their houeses then arabs in order to get peace, you can come to israel and see that there are many arab towns and villages in israel, they have schools here, arabs learn in israeli universities, they have tv shows in israeli channeles, the arabs even also have knesset members(those who passes the laws in israel) and parties...

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