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#121 Roberto

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:37 PM

In the last 25 years, only 9 actresses have won the Oscar for Best Actress with a performance that contained nudity.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

someone who thinks that an actress has to get naked to be good dont deserve respect

 

in his mind: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=B32JKroPf7o


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:47 AM

Johnny seriously why are you are so nasty!  

EVERY time Emma says something you ALWAYS have a smart arse response back...I am really sick of it. I dont get how someone can call themselves a fan with the way you slam Emma down. She tweeted her response about starring in this movie- We got her response. Just please try to be respectful. Because really, it is getting old.

 

My best friend and I were laughing so hard at Emma's tweet today and saying Emma showed the media her feelings ;-) Good for her like others said about tweeting her comment. Go Emma! :)


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

Ugh. Just...ugh.

 

These are three responses I have to people that think Emma should star in 50 Shades of Grey.

 

1. It is not a good trilogy of novels. Like it's been said before, it's smut...and not even well written smut. It's not going to be a good series of films, it's going to be a disaster, aimed at those who are obsessed with sex and the media. It's also going to be completely controversial, and someone like Emma Watson wouldn't want to be in the center of all that controversy.

2. Emma has shown that she is uncomfortable in sexual roles before. That doesn't mean that she is uncomfortable with her sexuality...but even Kristen Stewart is more comfortable doing something sexual on camera. Get her, instead of Emma, to play the role...or someone who is more comfortable getting naked on camera.

3. The only (the only!) reason you would want to see Emma in 50 Shades is because it's like seeing Emma Watson doing porn. 

 

Those are three very good reasons for Emma to back out of these movies...but by all means, continue arguing about it. She's already said she's not doing it, and I trust Emma's decision on her acting life, more than a handful of horny men. 



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:11 AM

Okay maybe using your 9 year old wasn't a good example. I hope most parents do keep strong filters on all the stuff. Let's say for example a boy or girl in the age range of like 12-14. That's also a big fan base for Emma. I think that most kids that age have freerer range of things on the internet. What happens when they hear Emma is in "Shades?". Maybe they start searching around. Maybe they find the book online and read it. Idk about you, but that makes me nervous. Of course you can't protect everyone forever. But, we are talking about a case of an actress with a large young fanbase. She has to choose carefully. That is all part of being a famous actress. You always have to take your fans into consideration. I just think there are so many better films for her to do.

 

I personally do not think that any actor in Hollywood is choosing the roles with any consideration, what the fanbase will say. Maybe the producers engaging actors with ther fanbase in mind (like Emma in 'Noah') for better business or doing research what the fanbase will say, but I do not think that Emma is wasting a minute on her fans when saying "yes" or "no" to a role. Because would that be so, she never would have done "Bling Ring" (a story about criminal offenses. What an educational film for her young fan base!)


You are right, you cannot protect your children until they are 18. So you have to prepeare them for the nasty world out there. With love, but also with honesty and caring parental strictness. Children have to make their own experiences and - up to now - I found out, that the way of "learning by guided doing" is often better as prohibitions and penalties. Example? I am a great fan of CSI Las Vegas, a TV-series, not made for children. My son knows that and he was begging for weeks that he can watch a episode with me. I agreed, looked for a "smoother one" and we started watching it together. After ten minutes he said: "That's boring, switch off the TV please!". I told him, that I said to him before that it is a adult-show and nothing for children. Since that day CSI is done for him. But he knows, it is there, but not for his age. And so it is with many other matters, too, I think.

 

If you do not talk with your children at the age of 12-14 about sexuality, the risks and the danger and all the other stuff (I do not mean BDSM, but contraception, AIDS.....), then you are negligent as a parent.

 

In Austria the rating system for movies is much more liberal then in the United States. We only have age limits ("0" - siutable for all, and then "6", "10", "12", "16".). Only very few movies are rated "16", most pictures "12". There was a rating "18" years ago for Hardcore-movies, but this rating disappeared, because such movies are no longer shown in "normal" cinemas. All Harry Potter Movies were rated "10" (expept the last two, "12"), but only on the paper. I have never seen so much children from 6 onwards in a movie like in "DH II". You have to deside as a parent, if you child is fit to watch these films.

 

And - finally "Shades". I think it will be a highly erotic, but not pornographical movie. It is Emma's decision to say "no", but on the basis of what is already visible she had no other choice.

 

 

If children liked child Emma, they don't have to like the movies past Deathly Hallows. It's not like a 9 year old would be allowed to see Perks or Marilyn, for example. Marilyn is rated R.

 

I do not know what "R" (restricted?) means in detail, but if Marilyn was "R", definitly not for erotic/sex-scenes.

 

In the last 25 years, only 9 actresses have won the Oscar for Best Actress with a performance that contained nudity.

 

Geraldine Page, Marlee Matlin, Cher, Jodie Foster (2), Jessica Tandy, Kathy Bates, Emma Thompson, Holly Hunter, Jessica Lange, Susan Sarandon, Frances McDormand, Hellen Hunt, Gwyneth Paltrow, Hilary Swank (2), Julia Roberts, Halle Barry, Nicole Kidman, Charlize Theron, Reese Witherspoon, Helen Mirren, Marion Cotillard, Kate Winslet, Sandra Bullock, Natalie Portman, Meryl Streep, Jennifer Lawrence.

 

These are the Oscar-winning ladies from 1985 up to today. And I bet, there are erotic scenes out there from each and every winner (well, maybe not the lovely Jessica Tandy, but who knows). And, Roberto, the discussion is not about "Do I have to get nude to win an Oscar?". It is about the question, if Emma can handle nudity (full or in part) and erotic scenes (She can and she will, believing her own words about that matter) and if it is nessessary for a career in the movies to be able to do so and play erotic scenes. Erotic performance in a movie has nothing to do with porn.

 

Ugh. Just...ugh.

 

These are three responses I have to people that think Emma should star in 50 Shades of Grey.

 

1. It is not a good trilogy of novels. Like it's been said before, it's smut...and not even well written smut. It's not going to be a good series of films, it's going to be a disaster, aimed at those who are obsessed with sex and the media. It's also going to be completely controversial, and someone like Emma Watson wouldn't want to be in the center of all that controversy.

2. Emma has shown that she is uncomfortable in sexual roles before. That doesn't mean that she is uncomfortable with her sexuality...but even Kristen Stewart is more comfortable doing something sexual on camera. Get her, instead of Emma, to play the role...or someone who is more comfortable getting naked on camera.

3. The only (the only!) reason you would want to see Emma in 50 Shades is because it's like seeing Emma Watson doing porn. 

 

Those are three very good reasons for Emma to back out of these movies...but by all means, continue arguing about it. She's already said she's not doing it, and I trust Emma's decision on her acting life, more than a handful of horny men. 

 

"Porn" is defined as film with accurate representation of sexual intercourse (of any kind) without artistic or technical camera concealment. I do not think that "Universal Pictures" has this in mind when producing "50 Shades". Sometimes I think, the imagination of the people who are fighting against "Shades" and the film "Shades is dirtier than the imagination of the people who want to see this movie.

And Emma Watson as a porn star? Come one, this is insulting your intelligence, Emma's honor and the honor of her fans.

 

Maybe we should not judge her like a common movie actress. She is so rich, she has no need to work ever again. So she can make decisions, we cannot understand. Maybe she is happy in the "schoolgirl - fairytale"-mode. Then it's ok.

 

Johnny seriously why are you are so nasty!  

EVERY time Emma says something you ALWAYS have a smart arse response back...I am really sick of it.

 

Answer is simple. Don't read it.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:51 AM

Nailbiting stuff. Does Emma urgently need to shove her butt into some camera to be taken seriously as an actress? Does her young audience (like us here) need to be protected from seeing said butt? Will Emma turn down this role, but play in a sequel where she's running around with a huge strap-on, and bones such diverse people as ex lovers, a Warner Bros CEO and Mike Newell?

Film at 11 (maybe not).

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#127 Roberto

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:13 PM

I know she's said in interviews that she's willing to do nudity for the right part.

 

But does that mean that if her next 5 or 10 films don't involve nudity, she won't be taken seriously or get the recognition that she would otherwise deserve? I don't think so.

 

I don't think if she turns down a role that involves nudity it's because she's scared or uncomfortable.

 

She has also said in interviews that she's interested in working with directors that she admires, and scripts that have fascinating characters.

 

If she turns down a role, I think it would make more sense that those factors would be most important to her, instead of any visceral emotional reaction to what she might have to do with role physically.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:17 PM

sensual scenes do it almost all the actresses and Emma has already do it(horror picture show and the 60% of her role in the bling ring dancing the half of the film on clubs and dancing with a gun to her boyfriend) that are sensual scenes almost every actresses do. what you nasty mind wants is this

And Elena - I do not think, that Emma will have a great career, when she is not willing to play nude sceens. Tell me one great femal Hollywood-star of the last 20 years who was not nude (exept the white shark, E.T., and the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park)

 

in your words, i guess that the 4 "actresses"(if i can call them actresses) on spring breaks deserve a long and great carrer because they are in bikini all the film

 

ps:thats right roberto i dont remember. She said i wont get naked just because they say i have to, if the film and the script i feel is good i could do it


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:35 PM

But does that mean that if her next 5 or 10 films don't involve nudity, she won't be taken seriously or get the recognition that she would otherwise deserve? I don't think so.

No, but she will stuck in the "Schoolgirl - fairytale" - mode she is already in. I mean, are there any "grown up" offers we know? Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella - fairytales. Noah, Bling Ring, Perks, even MwwM - schoolgirls (not counting Hermione and the awful "End of the world").  Maybe she can do some remakes of Wizzard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Sound of Music or tv-series like Flipper or Lassie......, but is this really what she want's to achive in her career?


Edited by Jonny Claus jr., 18 March 2013 - 12:37 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:49 PM

From Elle Spain: "I told my people that I wanted to work with Sofia, and she was just preparing " The Bling Ring". Everything fit perfectly. The truth is that I do not see specific roles, I want to work with certain directors, people who have conviction, who want to create something new, and I want to be part of that creative project"

 

From Elle Russia: What directors do you want to work with? 

 

"Paul Thomas Anderson, Danny Boyle, David Fincher, Baz Luhrmann. I have ambitious plans."

 

 

Doesn't seem like schoolgirl and fairy tale movies to me.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

"Paul Thomas Anderson, Danny Boyle, David Fincher, Baz Luhrmann. I have ambitious plans."

 And you really think that these directors will eliminate everything from their possible scripts and projects, what Ms. Watson makes uncomfortable, just to work with her? I think she would have to do everything the directors want that she could work with them....... :huh:


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

and at this point, when has Emma said that she never gonna do a nudity scene?she has said is uncomfortable not she never gonna do it. one thing isn't incompatible with other


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

Just because she's said that scenes in the past were uncomfortable for her to shoot, doesn't mean that she would turn down or demand changes to a role that had parts that might be uncomfortable. 

 

She did scenes with Sofia that were different, and I'm sure uncomfortable, for her, but she knew that ahead of time and accepted anyway.

 

Nothing in her past suggests she would ever demand to change a scene that she was uncomfortable with.

 

If she agrees to work with one of those directors, and there is nudity involved, she will most likely do it. Please provide any evidence that suggests anything otherwise.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:25 PM

If she agrees to work with one of those directors, and there is nudity involved, she will most likely do it. Please provide any evidence that suggests anything otherwise.

How about providing evidence when you make such a claim?

She felt uncomfortable when doing Rocky Horror, and she felt it was awkward to make Logan feel her (clothed) breasts. Nothing suggests that if one of her favorite directors asked her to, she would drop her panties w/o hesitation.

Which is why this is a lot of drama with no substance because everyone speculates wildly.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:32 PM

"I might be willing to take my clothes off for a Bernardo Bertolucci film, if it was a part that really made sense as part of my character. But I wouldn’t do it just to make a point, to move on from Hermione. I’d hate to be so tactical. I’m not just getting my kit off for anyone."

 

That is literally what she's suggesting.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:41 PM

"I might be willing to take my clothes off for a Bernardo Bertolucci film, if it was a part that really made sense as part of my character. But I wouldn’t do it just to make a point, to move on from Hermione. I’d hate to be so tactical. I’m not just getting my kit off for anyone."

you'll notice that she relativates the boldness of the first sentence ("I would get naked for this guy!") immediately by saying "I'll do it if it makes sense [for the role]". Which is what she's always been saying, which is also a very comfortable thing to say because no one can call her out on it and it makes you sound very serious about your art.

In any case, the question isn't if she'll drop her undies, or in what framework that happens. The question is if she's being offered, and willing to take on, grittier roles. If not, she'll soon be relegated to the life of a "feelgood" actress. Perfect for rom-coms. Which would be a horrible waste of her talent and an insult to her intelligence I'd say.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

If she works with any of those directors she mentioned, then that will definitely not be a problem. She's always looking to push the boundaries of what she thinks she's capable of. 

 

 

I'm just saying that she can be in movies that are directed by those people she mentioned, and those movies don't necessarily have to involve nudity.

 

They could, and if they did, I don't think she would outright refuse to do the role just on the sole basis of that alone. 

 

But if they just happen to not involve nudity, she's not going to be stuck with a different image because of it.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:12 PM

If she works with any of those directors she mentioned, then that will definitely not be a problem. She's always looking to push the boundaries of what she thinks she's capable of.

Granted, allegedly, some things that she had to do for Perks pushed her out of her comfort zone. Same for Bling Ring (pole dancing, oh my). It seems a bit like baby steps to me though (which may be unfair as I'm old and grumpy and she's still in a learning phase).

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:37 PM

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

Oh, give me a break! 

 

If all of the top paid actors left the business because they were filthy rich, we would have no new movies. Actors act, because they like to act.

 

And if Emma passed on this role, it's not because of the nudity. Have some respect for Emma and her choice, rather than just thinking about her slutting it up in a film. If she wanted to do that, she would do it...that is clearly not her. Emma has some class, people. 



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