
Faith vs. Religion
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:24 AM

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:14 AM
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#4
Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:36 AM
But when it comes to religious people faith and religion are highly connected -practically the same thing. Religion itself presupposes faith. You can't be part of all the religious rituals, read those Holy books and believe in a particular God without having Faith in Him first. I mean the way i see it those rituals have a really deep meaning connected to your faith.I dont really see how you can debate Faith vs Religion because I see the two on a completely different page.
#5
Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:43 AM
I know when I went to a Catholic school and church I found that it was hard to connect with God because it was so... ritualistic I guess.
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Posted 10 April 2011 - 05:47 PM
#7
Posted 10 April 2011 - 08:41 PM
Personally, I feel that faith can be a lot more ambiguous because people can make their own definitions and not have to adhere to a strict belief system. I think that it is important for people to create their own faith within themselves. This faith isn't necessarily found within a religion, but it really varies with the person. People really need to reach down and come into contact with themselves otherwise faith - in conjunction with a religion or not - is useless. It really does come from within. I forget who said that "we are our own gods". It sounds kind of cocky, but in a way it's true. Our strength and our faith is found in the depths of our souls and it's really just up to us to make ourselves happy and spiritually fulfilled.

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#8
Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:23 PM
Also, I do agree. Religion is nothing without faith. If you don't have that actual belief or some sort of connection, it doesn't mean anything. You have to believe in something. I just can't imagine going through life not believing in anything.
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#9
Posted 10 April 2011 - 09:38 PM
I think what you mean by Religion is different to what I mean. You said its taking a step further by saying you part of something, I dont see that as Religion. Thats a relationship with God to me. A Religion in my eyes, is where you go to church, say the same prayer, sing the same songs, say the same words etc. Like a cut in stone procedure, like a copy and pasted sermon every week. Where as a relationship is where each service is about something different and relevant, prayers are said on the spot and from the heart and everyone feels God in a different way. But thats just me.I definitely agree with you Karen. Faith and religion are two very different things. Everyone believes in something, well yes you can argue that atheists don't. But everyone has a certain faith. Many people believe in karma. Many people believe in some sort of energy being, but not actually G-D. However, being religious is taking your faith a step farther, it's saying that not only do I believe in something, but I am a part of something, and I am going to follow that something. I will use my own religion as an example. There are many Jews who have faith and they believe in G-D, but it stops there. But if you take a religious Jew, like me, I follow all the commandments and laws ect. That is a very different thing. I believe it is the same for every religion. There is believing in a higher being,then there is following that higher being. I think it is important to have both a strong faith and be a religious person.
Also, I do agree. Religion is nothing without faith. If you don't have that actual belief or some sort of connection, it doesn't mean anything. You have to believe in something. I just can't imagine going through life not believing in anything.
Ive always found it hard to connect with God through Catholicism or a sermon that is "scripted" I guess.
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#10
Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:04 PM
I think what you mean by Religion is different to what I mean. You said its taking a step further by saying you part of something, I dont see that as Religion. Thats a relationship with God to me. A Religion in my eyes, is where you go to church, say the same prayer, sing the same songs, say the same words etc. Like a cut in stone procedure, like a copy and pasted sermon every week. Where as a relationship is where each service is about something different and relevant, prayers are said on the spot and from the heart and everyone feels God in a different way. But thats just me.
Ive always found it hard to connect with God through Catholicism or a sermon that is "scripted" I guess.
I guess that is where my religion differs from yours then. Judaism is completely based around having a relationship with G-D. Yes, there are parts that seem copy paste, but most of it is more personal. So to me, religion is about taking my belief farther. First, I believe in G-D. then, I decide to dedicate my life to him and follow his laws. I pray and talk to him. I do different things. But, I make it mean something to me. I do everything with meaning behind it. Not just simple actions. My actions mean nothing if I do not have belief behind them. When we go to synoguge we don't listen to a sermon like you do in church. We pray. Some is prayer as a group, some is personal. But everyone is saying something. So to me religion is taking everything you believe in and putting it towards an action.
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#11
Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:30 PM
Is it that our beliefs are different? or our interpretation of what Religion means? because from what Ive read, you worship like I do, you just call it Religion. Where as I dont.I guess that is where my religion differs from yours then. Judaism is completely based around having a relationship with G-D. Yes, there are parts that seem copy paste, but most of it is more personal. So to me, religion is about taking my belief farther. First, I believe in G-D. then, I decide to dedicate my life to him and follow his laws. I pray and talk to him. I do different things. But, I make it mean something to me. I do everything with meaning behind it. Not just simple actions. My actions mean nothing if I do not have belief behind them. When we go to synoguge we don't listen to a sermon like you do in church. We pray. Some is prayer as a group, some is personal. But everyone is saying something. So to me religion is taking everything you believe in and putting it towards an action.
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#12
Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:37 PM
You make Christianity seem like it's some sort of materialised procedure. Like, us Christian are little robots who visit the same place and hear the same things every sunday without understanding them, without praying? Excuse me, i don\t wanna seem blunt but you give the wrong impression about Christianity to people who don;t know it well so you make Arie think that Judaism differs from Christianity because Judaism is based on having a relationship with God? Whereas Christianity isn't? Please now, i hope you mean something else.A Religion in my eyes, is where you go to church, say the same prayer, sing the same songs, say the same words etc. Like a cut in stone procedure, like a copy and pasted sermon every week.
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)I guess that is where my religion differs from yours then. Judaism is completely based around having a relationship with G-D.
My religion is completely based on a relationship with God as well. Yes my religion, not my relationship with God. We go to Church, we pray! We listen to the chants, we pray! We get lost in the Church, we come closer to God, we feel, we pray! We're not what you said above. My religion is a living religion.
#13
Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:31 PM
Dude....You make Christianity seem like it's some sort of materialised procedure. Like, us Christian are little robots who visit the same place and hear the same things every sunday without understanding them, without praying? Excuse me, i don\t wanna seem blunt but you give the wrong impression about Christianity to people who don;t know it well so you make Arie think that Judaism differs from Christianity because Judaism is based on having a relationship with God? Whereas Christianity isn't? Please now, i hope you mean something else.
Im a Christian, I pray to God every night, I live for God. I chose to be baptized myself on the 29th of November 2009. Im not talking about Christianity being a Religion, Ive said a few times in this topic alone that Christianity is a relationship with God, Im talking about Religions that dont have that relationship, ones that are just a Religion. And Ive never targeted Judaism, Ive talked about the difference between personal prayers said at the time, in the moment and written prayers, Ive talked about sermons that are always the same ever week and sermons that differ.
Sorry if Ive come off in a negative or hostile way, but Ive never meant to, I respect all beliefs and how people worship God. Ive just said that I have trouble connecting with God in sermons that are the same every week.
But I do apologize if Ive insulted you, Arie or anyone.
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#14
Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:41 PM
The last person you insulted here was Arie or her religion. On the contrary. Anyways you didn't talk about religions in generalthat don't have a relationship with God, you clearly mentioned churches and sermons so you can refer to one particular religion, and the way you made it seem was insulting to my eyes, because the worst thing you can say about a religion is that it's a copy pasted procedure with no meaning. Which is actually the other way round. In my religion Church and what happens in Church is a like a living thing. My religion equals 100% relationship with God, 100% understanding, concentration and prayer. Not a copy pasted sermon every week. I'm so attached to it and what it represents so i might come off a bit agressive.Dude....
Im a Christian, I pray to God every night, I live for God. I chose to be baptized myself on the 29th of November 2009. Im not talking about Christianity being a Religion, Ive said a few times in this topic alone that Christianity is a relationship with God, Im talking about Religions that dont have that relationship, ones that are just a Religion. And Ive never targeted Judaism, Ive talked about the difference between personal prayers said at the time, in the moment and written prayers, Ive talked about sermons that are always the same ever week and sermons that differ.
Sorry if Ive come off in a negative or hostile way, but Ive never meant to, I respect all beliefs and how people worship God. Ive just said that I have trouble connecting with God in sermons that are the same every week.
But I do apologize if Ive insulted you, Arie or anyone.
#15
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:01 AM
May I ask what your belief is?The last person you insulted here was Arie or her religion. On the contrary. Anyways you didn't talk about religions in generalthat don't have a relationship with God, you clearly mentioned churches and sermons so you can refer to one particular religion, and the way you made it seem was insulting to my eyes, because the worst thing you can say about a religion is that it's a copy pasted procedure with no meaning. Which is actually the other way round. In my religion Church and what happens in Church is a like a living thing. My religion equals 100% relationship with God, 100% understanding, concentration and prayer. Not a copy pasted sermon every week. I'm so attached to it and what it represents so i might come off a bit agressive.
Religion has so many different meanings to many people. To me Religion is this.
Go to church
Opening prayer
Opening songs
Sermon
Written prayer
Songs
Ending prayer
And then next week do the same thing without changing the sermon, prayer or songs.
I dont know if this is how you worship? but it doesnt do it for me.
The church I go to plays different songs every week, The sermons will be different, There was one about the call of the church, a series about God given gifts, a series about the Occult and its dangers etc. And the prayers change for the topic of the day.
I dont call this Religion, I call this a relationship with God because it is forever changing and never the same, you dont get used to it and you never know what God will do next.
And by church Im not just referring to Christianity and the denominations of Christianity, because really a Mosque, Temple or any other place where people meet to worship a God is a church. I googled the defintion of a church and got this "Public worship of God or a religious service in such a building". I dont target Christians when I say "church".
Do you mean that the last person on the list of people I have insulted is Arie? or that I havent insulted her at all?
I am truly sorry if Ive offended you or her.
Edited by Joe O'Connor, 11 April 2011 - 12:02 AM.
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#16
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:08 AM
Christian Orthodox.May I ask what your belief is?
But religion IS relationship with God. Religion presupposes faith and for you to be mentally connected with what you believe in. People who just go to church and do all those you stated above just because they HAVE to, well those are not religious people imo. I can't come up with a term for them.Religion has so many different meanings to many people. To me Religion is this.
Go to church
Opening prayer
Opening songs
Sermon
Written prayer
Songs
Ending prayer
And then next week do the same thing without changing the sermon, prayer or songs.
The i got this part wrong. I had the idea that the term church was referred to Christians place of worship. Hence why we use different words for Mosque, Sinagoge etc etc. Sorry.And by church Im not just referring to Christianity and the denominations of Christianity, because really a Mosque, Temple or any other place where people meet to worship a God is a church. I googled the defintion of a church and got this "Public worship of God or a religious service in such a building". I dont target Christians when I say "church".
You haven't insulted her at all.Do you mean that the last person on the list of people I have insulted is Arie? or that I havent insulted her at all?
I am truly sorry if Ive offended you or her.
#17
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:08 AM
Fair enough lol. Then I guess we can just agree to disagree on our opinionsIs it that our beliefs are different? or our interpretation of what Religion means? because from what Ive read, you worship like I do, you just call it Religion. Where as I dont.

I am sorry if I offended you in any way Hun! I was responding to what Joe wrote and that is how he made it seem to me. I am very sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that Christians don't have a relationship with G-D, I would never say something like that. I just wasn't sure if it was something that was fundamental. Thank you for correcting my views though! I much appreciate it and I apologize for my ignorance!My religion is completely based on a relationship with God as well. Yes my religion, not my relationship with God. We go to Church, we pray! We listen to the chants, we pray! We get lost in the Church, we come closer to God, we feel, we pray! We're not what you said above. My religion is a living religion
@Joe. don't worry, you did not offend me in any way!

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#18
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:18 AM
Im baptist and we always try to break away from the title of being Religious because of its stereotype, I dont know about your country, but in NZ when people hear the term a Religious they think of thisBut religion IS relationship with God. Religion presupposes faith and for you to be mentally connected with what you believe in. People who just go to church and do all those you stated above just because they HAVE to, well those are not religious people imo. I can't come up with a term for them.

So we try not to be associated with the term and use the name Christians.
Sorry, I should have cleared that up a bit more...The i got this part wrong. I had the idea that the term church was referred to Christians place of worship. Hence why we use different words for Mosque, Sinagoge etc etc. Sorry.
You haven't insulted her at all.
Phew, thats a relief.@Joe. don't worry, you did not offend me in any way!
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#19
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:22 AM
No, you didn't offend me at all, i just used your quote as a backup answer to what i thought Joe meant, i was only referring to him.I am sorry if I offended you in any way Hun! I was responding to what Joe wrote and that is how he made it seem to me. I am very sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that Christians don't have a relationship with G-D, I would never say something like that. I just wasn't sure if it was something that was fundamental. Thank you for correcting my views though! I much appreciate it and I apologize for my ignorance!
#20
Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:28 AM
Im baptist and we always try to break away from the title of being Religious because of its stereotype, I dont know about your country, but in NZ when people hear the term a Religious they think of this
So we try not to be associated with the term and use the name Christians.
I definitely understand that!! I don't want to be looked at as crazy religious girl either. It is definitely a hard stereotype to have going around. Especially if you get compared to Flanders haha. I guess we just have to keep wishing for a world where being a religious person isn't looked at as being a weirdo. Because I know how you feel Joe, I have often felt like a Flanders myself sometimes. I know a lot of people who don't like the world religious, I don't like it all that much either when used in this way.
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