I do agree with you about the movie interpretation, trixie. Fortunately that's one of the areas I find it easiest to seperate movie from book, simply because it has been dealt with so completely differently. I don't mind the film version, but then I think about how much it doesn't live up to the OTP in my head and yeah, that can make me angry. I was actually really surprised that they bothered to include one kiss, let alone two, in DH, and although I doubt Ginny will be in Part 2 much, the pictures of the kiss seem to be more canon H/G than anything we see so far, so I'm not too worried. As has been said, the only thing I'm worried about is whether Harry thinks of Ginny or not in the forest...
Okay, so here it is... two things from OOTP that I believe initiate the Major Change in Harry's perspective concerning his relationship with Ginny. I'd argue that we see perhaps more emotion from Harry in OOTP then we do in any other HP book, and IMO, it isn't really even close. First.... Harry's kiss with Cho. Yes, this is actually the moment that turns Harry away from Cho. He sort of buckles under and suddenly ALL the things that he was doubting about Cho come flooding to the surface and we realize just how much this was strictly a school boy crush. It was just a case of a boy falling for the popular and pretty girl. Cho's like the Hogwart's Home Coming Queen, and what young boy isn't going to be a bit enamoured and attracted to that. I think that's why I shipped Harry and Cho at first. That's all I saw, and yeah, I had a crush on the Home Coming Queen in school too so I could kind of relate to how he felt. After the kiss, Harry somewhat realizes how little he really knows Cho too. All their interactions have surrounded these moments that they idealized in their heads, and as well as the kiss may have come off in the movies, I'm inclined to believe that the book portrayl of the kiss was described as somewhat less inspiring and passionate. How was it that Harry described it to Ron? "It was wet"????!!!!
Not exactly a "glowing" endorsement you might say. I DO think that the kiss between Dan and Katie in the movie also inclined me towards the Cho/Harry relationship at first. Katie ofc is a very beautiful young woman, and their kiss was really much more the way I invisioned the first Harry/Ginny kiss. Maybe their on-screen chemistry was a bit overplayed in that moment. Something Ican understand from a directorial point of view as it WAS Harry's FIRST kiss. Who doesn't want to have that awesome first kiss? But in reality how many people HAVE that awesome FIRST kiss? Usually the first is a bit more awkward and less memorable than the one's that follow in a loving relationship.
Okay, so after dragging that out, here's the second point... the point that opens Harry's eyes to Ginny IN THE VERY LITERAL SENSE
. Harry's been somewhat lost in his self-pitying fog as well as his Cho-induced fog when Ginny snaps him to. pg 499 OOTP...
"How're you feeling?" asked Hermione.
"Fine," said Harry stiffly.
"Oh, don't lie, Harry," she said impatiently. "Ron and Ginny say you've been hiding from everyone since you got back from St.Mungo's."
"They do, do they?" said Harry, glaring at Ron and Ginny. Ron looked down at his feet but Ginny seemed quite unabashed.
"Well you have!" she said. "And you won't look at any of us!" (you can bet Ginny's not lying here, because she always paid attention to Harry) ..... SKIP FORWARD A BIT
"We wanted to talk to you
Harry," said Ginny,"but as you've been hiding ever since we got back -"
"I didn't want anyont to talk to me," said Harry, who was feeling more and more nettled.
"Well that was a bit stupid of you," said Ginny angrily,"seeing as you don't know anyone but me who's been possessed by You-Know-Who, and I can tell you how it feels."
Harry remained quite still as the impact of these words hit him. Then he turned on the spot to face her.
"I forgot," he said.
"Lucky you," said Ginny cooly.
"I'm sorry," Harry said, and he meant it...... AND I'LL STOP THERE, Sorry >.< I know you've all read the book.
I mean WOW, what a book moment. Here's the little girl who used to stumble and stutter whenever she was within 100 feet of Harry making a very appropriate point that shakes Harry from his self-pity. THIS IS WHY this book is so important to the series. This is it right here in a very concrete sense IMO. The point where Ginny first overtly displays what Harry comes to find so attractive and reasurring about her. This is how she balances him. Would Hermione or Ron have ever had the courage to address Harry that way? Hermione, perhaps... after much initial awkwardness and caution, but Ginny just comes out and tells Harry how it is with no reservations. I LOVE Ginny for this. Weasley is King, or Queen in this sense during this book moment!!!!
I need to go back and watch the movie again, to see how this was portrayed by the actors in the movie, but there is no doubt in my mind that it is THE pivitol moment in both the action of the book as far as Harry's self-pity is concerned, and THE pivitol moment in how he starts to see Ginny. She's grown up now. This isn't the shy little wall flower that he used to know.
Katharine, just read your fanfic and posted a comment! It's so well written! Loved every second of it and hope you post more soon!
Just to get back on something we discussed briefly in the other canon couple's thread. I'd like to know how everyone here feels about Harry and Ginny's relationship portrayal in the movies.
While he's had some faults in the past, I think Dan does an outstanding job as Harry. He got really big shoes to fill when he accepted such role and I believe he's always raised up to the challenge.
But I still have a problem with Bonnie's characterisation of Ginny. Maybe it's just due to her having such a small role in the movies, but every scene she's in leaves me feeling that she could do much better, or show more emotion...
Of course the fact that H/G's relationships is hardly explored in the movies is quite relevant to how I feel as well.
Bonnie and Dan shared two onscreen kisses as Harry and Ginny, and both sincerely left me disappointed.
Regardless of the scriptwriter being a deluded H/Hr shipper in the past, and clearly not putting much effort into the canon couples' scenes -especially H/G-, I feel both Dan and Bonnie could have displayed more 'passion' in their scenes together, in order to for the public who hasn't read the books to understand their characters' attraction and love for each other.
Even for crazy HP fans like me, there is still such a luke-warm feeling that I'd really think they are not really much into each other if I hadn't read the story.
Wow, so much to talk about in this thread. These recent posts may have snapped me (temporarily anyways
) out of my Chat-induced fog and back into the heart of my shipperdom. The Harry/Ginny dynamic in the movies is my primary beef with the way I originally came to feel about their relationship. I agree that Dan does an amazing job as Harry, as sometimes his portrayl of Harry gets a bit lost on me because of how intently I focus on the Rupert/Emma dynamic. That's my fault, as when I sit back and look at it, I really appreciate the job Dan has done as Harry Potter in the movie series. SIRIUSLY!
Could they have picked an actor who better examplified not just Harry's appearance, but his bravery, courage and angst as well? The place where Dan falters a little is in his interaction and chemistry with Bonnie. I think Katharine makes a valid point, by explaining how the movie directors did not exactly set up an ideal scenario for the Harry/Ginny romance to blossom in. You factor in too, that you have two very young actors who probably weren't extremely comfortable in portraying those romantic moments, and I think that a bit more could have been done to help these two get past any kind of anxieties they may have been having over the kiss. I think public comments, by Bonnie imparticularly have expressed how challenging that first kiss in particular was. Bonnie can appear a bit stiff sometimes, and I find that I was more inclined towards her acting in the earlier films. If she smiled a bit more, I think it would give a sense of her character being more relaxed. I just get the constant sense of intensity from Bonnie, which is something that Ginny's character displays wonderfully in certain moments, like the one I just quoted, but needs to fall away during the more tender moments she shares with Harry. This was often times a very blithe and happy character the way I saw her in the book series... I don't quite see that in Bonnie's portrayl.
Ok, God Bless you all for putting up with me here.
That's all I have to say in the matter for now. Katharine, the fact that you're "heart leaps" a little at seeing posts in this thread really made me.
I get a great deal of joy myself from seeing the intensity and passion that so many here have for the characters of these stories, who were so amazingly developed by JKR. My somewhat "deliberate" reading of the series the second time through, along with all your comments and insights have helped me appreciate things about Harry Potter even more (as if that were possible).
Edited by Peter Pumpkinhead, 12 February 2011 - 06:26 AM.