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#21 DarkLord

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 08:55 AM

some of you sound like the Iraelian gouvernment didn't anything wrong and all Palestinians are evil.

Palestine was Arabic for more then 600 years after the fall of the Romanian Empire.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 03:12 PM

also what i dont get is that the jewish religion and the muslim religion is almost alike, we did get some of our beliefs from the jews, and i dont understand why every one just cant be at peace with eachother. i mean i would understand if it was like a muslim state sharing with atheists and i can see the problems there, but jews and muslims have similar beliefs i wish everyone would get along.
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 04:36 PM

The trouble is, after many years of this conflict, both sides have a mutual distrust of each other. Which is understandable. Many lives have been lost on both sides, the UN should make sure this problem must be resolved. Both sides have to bend a little, and come to an agreement, it can be done, its just a matter of the people in the negotiations being realistic, and searching for an ideal solution.
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 05:30 PM

One thing that constantly troubles me is the double standard set by the israeli government - they want the palestinians to be nice and law-abiding citizens (of what, actually?) while they themselves let their own settlers violate the law and all previous agreements all the time and even send army and police to protect them....plus money from the state if I heard correctly. What kind of message is that to the palestinians?
Can they really expect the palestinians (in their hearts) to renounce on their vow to destroy israel if a large part of israelis will not give up on their dream of a pure jewish state in the borders as they were a very long time ago (or at least as they believe the borders were) ?

I think if the USA wouldn't partly fund an israeli army whose striking power is all out of proportion in relation to Israels size and normal monetary means, they would have been forced to negotiate a lot more and earlier and more honestly than they have done so far. Always having big brother to back you up and shield you from the consequences of your behaviour does not tend to make you a well-rounded and even-tempered person I guess.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 06:43 PM

One thing that constantly troubles me is the double standard set by the israeli government - they want the palestinians to be nice and law-abiding citizens (of what, actually?) while they themselves let their own settlers violate the law and all previous agreements all the time and even send army and police to protect them....plus money from the state if I heard correctly. What kind of message is that to the palestinians?
Can they really expect the palestinians (in their hearts) to renounce on their vow to destroy israel if a large part of israelis will not give up on their dream of a pure jewish state in the borders as they were a very long time ago (or at least as they believe the borders were) ?

I think if the USA wouldn't partly fund an israeli army whose striking power is all out of proportion in relation to Israels size and normal monetary means, they would have been forced to negotiate a lot more and earlier and more honestly than they have done so far. Always having big brother to back you up and shield you from the consequences of your behaviour does not tend to make you a well-rounded and even-tempered person I guess.



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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:17 PM

what is all of this about, and what is the root cause, i dont really get it at all!!

all i know is that Israel have blockaded Gaza, (because of Hamas) and wont even let aid ships through, for example, the Turkish Aid Flotilla on the way to Gaza, not so long ago..


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:52 PM

Hahaha pretty much. But, debate on these issues is important! Don't feel as if you did anything bad! I just wish more people had an opinion or cared.

I'm sure a lot of people have an opinion and care, but I don't like to debate here anymore, too many silly arguments and you always have to justify your self, and often you fight alone against many.

also what i dont get is that the jewish religion and the muslim religion is almost alike, we did get some of our beliefs from the jews, and i dont understand why every one just cant be at peace with eachother. i mean i would understand if it was like a muslim state sharing with atheists and i can see the problems there, but jews and muslims have similar beliefs i wish everyone would get along.

To be honest, most if not all religions are alike. They have a lot in common and share beliefs. Even with the so called pagan religions of the ancient world.

One thing that constantly troubles me is the double standard set by the israeli government - they want the palestinians to be nice and law-abiding citizens (of what, actually?) while they themselves let their own settlers violate the law and all previous agreements all the time and even send army and police to protect them....plus money from the state if I heard correctly. What kind of message is that to the palestinians?
Can they really expect the palestinians (in their hearts) to renounce on their vow to destroy israel if a large part of israelis will not give up on their dream of a pure jewish state in the borders as they were a very long time ago (or at least as they believe the borders were) ?

I think if the USA wouldn't partly fund an israeli army whose striking power is all out of proportion in relation to Israels size and normal monetary means, they would have been forced to negotiate a lot more and earlier and more honestly than they have done so far. Always having big brother to back you up and shield you from the consequences of your behaviour does not tend to make you a well-rounded and even-tempered person I guess.

^I completely agree with that.

I also support the two state solution. And I don't support the brutality, attacks, war etc on both sides. It is possible to get what you want peacefully. If you attack, there will be a counterattack (no matter who started).

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 08:33 PM

I'm sure a lot of people have an opinion and care, but I don't like to debate here anymore, too many silly arguments and you always have to justify your self, and often you fight alone against many.


To be honest, most if not all religions are alike. They have a lot in common and share beliefs. Even with the so called pagan religions of the ancient world.


^I completely agree with that.

I also support the two state solution. And I don't support the brutality, attacks, war etc on both sides. It is possible to get what you want peacefully. If you attack, there will be a counterattack (no matter who started).


yes, at one point all the religions were the same werent they?
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In her tomb by the sounding sea.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:49 AM

I agree with everything said about religions being so similar. I don't understand why we can't get along!!! Some of my best friends are in fact Arab!!!! But, my opinion is always going to remain the same on this issue. Regardless of anything else, palistinians are being ruled by terrorist organizations and I will never support terrorism. Until these organizations are out of the picture, no deal.

what is all of this about, and what is the root cause, i dont really get it at all!!

all i know is that Israel have blockaded Gaza, (because of Hamas) and wont even let aid ships through, for example, the Turkish Aid Flotilla on the way to Gaza, not so long ago


You probably should actually figure out what a topic is about before you post. This is an issue that is important to a lot of people.

Also. The reason for the block into gaza was for a few different reasons. First off, because Gaza doesn't need the aid. People think that gaza is just this desolate waste land. It's not!!! They just built a HUGE mall with millions of stores. They don't need aid and that's why it was stopped. It wasn't just Israels decision either, many countries supported the block. Also, the ships didn't even carry aid... They were carrying weapons into gaza. Another reason it was stopped. And lastly, gaza is still sending missiles into Israel ever single day!!! Killing and destroying families. Yet, Israel is supposed to send aid??? They don't need it! But, again, it wasn't just Israels idea. In fact, the US called for the block before Israel.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 01:59 PM

There have been some good posts in this debate. I think most people agree, that there should be a Palestinian State, also the State of Israel must be respected. I think we are in the same position as the people at the UN, we know what is needed, but we don't know how to implement it, without upsetting one side or the other. The two sides should get together and work things out, the first thing they should agree on, is no more violence.
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Posted 26 September 2011 - 08:12 PM

i think that the U.N should be 2/5 votes not just one. i hate it
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Posted 28 September 2011 - 03:51 PM

And guess what?.....

Yes !!! The Israelis are building AGAIN !!!

Netanyahu's fave line must be FTW......

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 08:01 PM

Of course Palestine should have the right to be a country. What would the americans say if someone decided to put a country in the middle of USA, and that country later took over more and more? I mean, no one would just agree with that. If you look at maps of Israel since the foundation in the 40's, no one can deny they have take a lot of the Palestine land.

But on the other hand I heard a Palestine guy, maybe from Fatah or some other political organisation, interviewed at the news and he said that a membership in the UN could be negative for Palestine, because maybe it just was a way for the leader to put the conflict problem on UN or something like that. Stay on his position maybe. This guy was not all pro this anyhow, I guess there are two side of the same coin.
But if not a member of the UN, I still think Palestine should have the right to be a own country.

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 01:50 AM

And guess what?.....

Yes !!! The Israelis are building AGAIN !!!

Netanyahu's fave line must be FTW......


building again??? as in tearing down palestinian homes and building israeli settlements?

Edited by Rena, 01 October 2011 - 01:50 AM.

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And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
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And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling- my darling- my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea,
In her tomb by the sounding sea.

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 04:50 PM

building again??? as in tearing down palestinian homes and building israeli settlements?


Yes indeed.

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Posted 01 October 2011 - 09:53 PM

Don't be too hard on Israel, they must feel isolated, being surrounded by Arab countries. I know its not right to take other peoples land, but perhaps, the Government have no other way of pleasing their people. Don't come down on me for that comment, because I don't agree with their policies.

I read an interesting article in a newspaper the other day, which suggested that Israel might have to change radically in the future, it was only theory. It said that Israel would either become a fortress, using military force as a deterrent. Or it would have a shared state, with the Palestinians.
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Posted 02 October 2011 - 03:52 AM

Oh yeah because Palestinians have never ever torn down Israeli homes to build theres.... :rolleyes:

You guys need to read more news. Both sides are guilty, and both sides have good arguments!

I am so sick of everyone just being against Israel. Why do we not deserve rights as well? Everyone is just saying that Israel hand everything over and the end. (I am not just talking about people on this site). So, no Israelis deserve to have any rights? How is that fair?

Why can't we have a two state solution? Why can't we have peace! I am talking as partly Israeli and a Jew. We need peace, not to throw more people out of their homes.

It completely floors me that most people who comment on here just think Israel is this evil, horrible country and that all Arab states are wonderful. Both have made mistakes, both are equally guilty. I am shocked that most people on here think that there should just only be a Palestine because the Palestinians don't have rights. While I agree that the Palestinians deserve to have their rights, why dont the Isralis to have theirs as well?

When this was first introduced to the UN the US said that there needs to be a 2 state solution. The Palestinians turned that down, they said all or nothing. So why is Israel the only "bad" one in this? How is it okay to take all the rights away from one people and give them to another? Why can't we both have rights and live together?

(I am sorry if my argument seems too heated or offends any body. I am just very frustrated that most people just want all or nothing. I want to meet in the middle. And, I promise this was not meant as an attack or anything!)

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 10:11 AM

Arie: I don't say there should only be a Palestian state and I understand both sides has done wrong, but you can't say just because Palestine do wrong too doesn't mean Israel are acting great. It's terrible what Israel are doing when they take over Palestine land, and they have done it for 60 years. That's all I'm saying. And on the other side Palestine do terrible things when they're bombing Israel and whatever they do.
What I don't understand is why there can't be 2 states. Why is Israel a country but not Palestine? I think both should have rights, no one should need to fight for it.

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 01:22 PM

The trouble with this conflict is that both sides think they are right. They are so entrenched in their views, neither of them will give an inch. Proposals have been put to them in the past, and all have been rejected. I don't know what the main stumbling blocks are, probably the division of land, and access to Religious sites. Surely its time to put the past behind them and work together for a better future, for both sides. I know it may be impossible to please everyone, but a life of peace is better than what is happening now.
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Posted 02 October 2011 - 02:43 PM

Arie: I don't say there should only be a Palestian state and I understand both sides has done wrong, but you can't say just because Palestine do wrong too doesn't mean Israel are acting great. It's terrible what Israel are doing when they take over Palestine land, and they have done it for 60 years. That's all I'm saying. And on the other side Palestine do terrible things when they're bombing Israel and whatever they do.
What I don't understand is why there can't be 2 states. Why is Israel a country but not Palestine? I think both should have rights, no one should need to fight for it.


If you read my post you will see that I clearly stated that both sides are equally guilty. That was the whole point of my post.

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