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#21 Arie

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 03:03 AM

Great topic! But what a hard topic as well.

In Judaism we take almost everything in the bible very literally. So in other words, yes in my religion it is considered a sin. The sin is not being gay, but acting upon it. However, I AM 100% pro gays in every single way possible. I have many gay friends and I am very supportive of gay marriage, adoption, ect. Does this cause a huge dilemma for me? Yes. Am I surrounded by hate? Yes, my own father is crazy homophobic... Do I love him less? No. Is he a bad person? No. I just can't believe that G-D would create gay people if it were a sin. Why would they exist if G-D hates them? It just doesn't make sense to me. I do believe that there is some other meaning or some part that we are missing in this debate. I just can't believe in a G-D who hates.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:52 AM

The main problem I have is that I don't understand why a God would have created homosexuality in the first place if he really thought it was such a terrible sin. I've become interested in religion recently and a lot of it does make sense to me, so I'm seriously wondering about converting to something, but I really can't get my head around that. Also, I'm bisexual so I was wondering- what happens if you're religious and bisexual? Do you have to think half of yourself is wrong and sinful, or is there a way around that?

Sorry if I sound ignorant but I genuinely don't know how this works and I don't know anybody religious to ask things like this. I've been brought up atheist to the point that we've never even really talked about religion, and the whole do-you-have-to-think-homosexuality/bisexuality-is-wrong thing is actually the main stumbling block for me because I really don't want to have to think that.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:59 AM

The main problem I have is that I don't understand why a God would have created homosexuality in the first place if he really thought it was such a terrible sin.

God didn't create homosexuality ;O

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:05 AM

I take homosexuality the same way I do other things I done agree with like being apart of another religion, political differences, differences in ideas of smoking drinking ect. I don't agree with it, and nothing will change that part of me but I don't allow for it to change my perception of the person. I still love them as I would all my other friends or family we would just agree to disagree. Does that makes sense?

Anyways what God has to say about it is that homosexuality is wrong, no if ands or buts around it. But so are things that everyone does no matter what their orientation such as lying or stealing ect. And God views all sin as equal so in Gods eyes we are no better than each other. We are all sinners we all have sins that we struggle with and we will all die still sinning on a regular basis. But when Jesus was sent to die on the cross he died for everyones sins including homosexuals sins because he loves us. So while God may say that homosexuality is wrong it doesn't mean that he hates all gay people. I feel that this idea has been screwed with too much by both Christians and non-Christians alike. As Christians we are called to love all, and encourage all in the way of Christ. Sometimes because Christians are sinners as well some are well jerks when it comes to different things and it annoys me as much as it annoys the next person because that is not following in Jesus' example at all. We are told not to judge others and to keep ourselves pure and leave all the judgement to God. I'm sorry if any Christian has ever hurt you or someone you know based on sexual orientation, I just hope you will realize that is was the Christian who was in the wrong and acting like that is not following the Bible.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:09 AM

God didn't create homosexuality ;O


I thought he was supposed to have created everything? Wouldn't homosexuality come under everything?
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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:06 AM

I thought he was supposed to have created everything? Wouldn't homosexuality come under everything?

Hmmm just imagine that you created a plain, then someone does a hole in there; did you create the hole? Homosexuality is wrong front of God, therefore it's a sin; God didn't create the sin, because such thing it's a "hole". Make sense?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:14 AM

Sorry if I sound ignorant but I genuinely don't know how this works and I don't know anybody religious to ask things like this.

Don't ever say you're ignorant again lol No one of us knows how any of this really works. The fact that you're wondering about it and you want to express your opinion and listen to others is a good thing. I really can't answer your question in a satisfying way though because i have the same questions myself.

The main problem I have is that I don't understand why a God would have created homosexuality in the first place if he really thought it was such a terrible sin.


I don't know why would God create homosexuals if it's a sin. But you see lot of people oppose to the common discussion that gays are actually born gays. They say we all born straight as it's the "right" and "normal" thing. And somewhere in the way some people get lost or confused or corrupted by the evil. It's not God's choice, He didn't make you like this; it's humans' choice. But who we are to determine if that opinion^ is true. Many people support so many different opinions.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:47 PM

I don't think it's right for us to speak for God. When people say, I know that God says this, He wants it this way - I say, I don't think we can't even begin to comprehend what God would want if He is so big. We definitely can't put words in His mouth so to speak; He is just so big and all knowing I don't think it's up to us to decide. You know? I could have phrased that better probably, but I'm exhauuuuusted.
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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:02 PM

Hmmm just imagine that you created a plain, then someone does a hole in there; did you create the hole? Homosexuality is wrong front of God, therefore it's a sin; God didn't create the sin, because such thing it's a "hole". Make sense?


If your god is all-knowing, he knew from the beginning what every being he created would ever do and what this being would be like; so he even knew about every "hole" that would be doug into every plain he created, right?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:21 PM

The majority of people think that choice is easy; you're either pro gay or against gay. For me, however, it's a really, really complicating subject and it's been bothering me for years now and i'd like to talk about it.

I'm gonna talk about my opinion for starters. From the one hand religion itself claims that homosexuality is a sin, because it's wrong according to the human nature and abnormal since the naturally correct thing is a man plus a woman. And frankly according to me it is "wrong" (-please forgive me for that statement members/supporters of the LGBT community, i don't want to sound offensive; it's just a personal opinion)

But on the other hand i keep thinking how's love ever a sin? I mean those people happened to love a person of the same gender. They hurt no one and they're being judged when all they want to do is declare their love. How can love be such a bad thing? And most important, how can some people who claim to believe in a God of understanding, kindness and love be so hard and insensitive towards their fellow human beings. Personally, when i see two gay people being together, for some reasons i feel more affectionate and i never judge them and i somehow support them. But then again i keep thinking, am i supporting the right thing? Then i just end up saying, well if homosexuality is indeed a sin, let God judge them. They don't meed me to do that. My duty is to be kind and understanding towards everyone. And that's what i'm trying to do. And then i keep thinking again, if it is indeed "wrong", instead of helping them out, i just support a wrong choice? It's driving me insane >.<

So, opinions on that matter?

Oh and one final thing; God does not hate homosexual people, and i get frustrated when i hear a person say that. God is love and justice and hates no one. I wouldn't possibly know how He judges, but i'm sure He hates no one and nothing.

im not sure now, are you "against" gays because of your religion or is it a personal opinion?

Great topic! But what a hard topic as well.

In Judaism we take almost everything in the bible very literally. So in other words, yes in my religion it is considered a sin. The sin is not being gay, but acting upon it. However, I AM 100% pro gays in every single way possible. I have many gay friends and I am very supportive of gay marriage, adoption, ect. Does this cause a huge dilemma for me? Yes. Am I surrounded by hate? Yes, my own father is crazy homophobic... Do I love him less? No. Is he a bad person? No. I just can't believe that G-D would create gay people if it were a sin. Why would they exist if G-D hates them? It just doesn't make sense to me. I do believe that there is some other meaning or some part that we are missing in this debate. I just can't believe in a G-D who hates.


does that mean, if god doesnt hate gays, that he also doesnt hate murderers and stuff?


(lol i really dont wanna compare gays to murderes but if you think that god created the gay that would mean he also created the murderes. cause he created everyone. but if gayness isnt a sin (since god created it, - is murder also not a sin?)







Im pro gay btw.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 10:01 PM

^^^^I don't think you can compare being gay, to being a murderer and taking someones life.
Being gay is seen a a sin by the church, but I'm sure God would see that as a lesser sin than killing somebody.

If you are gay and you are in a loving relationship with your partner, I can't see a problem with that.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 11:32 PM

If your god is all-knowing, he knew from the beginning what every being he created would ever do and what this being would be like; so he even knew about every "hole" that would be doug into every plain he created, right?

Yeah, what are you suggesting? He should not create us in first instance? He should be like a dictator by no allowing us the free will? xD

The "hole" thing, I meant: The plain is the good, and the bad is the hole, trying to explain that God doesn't create the bad, because it's not something but lack of something, make sence? ;B


does that mean, if god doesnt hate gays, that he also doesnt hate murderers and stuff?

I don't think He hates murderers and stuff, He can't feel hate.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 03:45 AM

im not sure now, are you "against" gays because of your religion or is it a personal opinion?



does that mean, if god doesnt hate gays, that he also doesnt hate murderers and stuff?


(lol i really dont wanna compare gays to murderes but if you think that god created the gay that would mean he also created the murderes. cause he created everyone. but if gayness isnt a sin (since god created it, - is murder also not a sin?)







Im pro gay btw.


Interesting point. I do understand it, but I do have to disagree. Mainly because I believe that it is not a sin to be gay, but it is to be a murderer ect. So I completely disagree with your logic because your two points are not connected on any way shape or form. Wat does being a murderer have anything to do with be being gay? They are not the dame thing. I will even take re
Igion out of the equation. Society tells us that murdering is wrong. Society doesn't tell us that being gay is wrong. (yes that can be argued, but my soceity is pro gay). Therefore, murder is a sin. Being gay is not. The two are not connected at all.

And no G-D did not create murderers because we have free will. Murders chose to murder, G-D doesn't make them murder. I am believe that being gay is not something you choose, therefore G-D created gays. Why would G-D create a sin? Of course, if you believe that being gay is a choice you will disagree with my point.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 06:29 AM

im not sure now, are you "against" gays because of your religion or is it a personal opinion?

Nope I'm definitely not against gay. But i don't know if i'm entirely pro gay. I'm definitely pro love and freedom of love and I'm all for gays getting married. It's just that according to my religion, being gay is a sin and i shouldn't support it. And i have heard so many different opinions as to why homosexuality is wrong/right that sometimes i get really confused. That's why all this is so complicating to me.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:06 PM

im not sure now, are you "against" gays because of your religion or is it a personal opinion?



does that mean, if god doesnt hate gays, that he also doesnt hate murderers and stuff?


(lol i really dont wanna compare gays to murderes but if you think that god created the gay that would mean he also created the murderes. cause he created everyone. but if gayness isnt a sin (since god created it, - is murder also not a sin?)







Im pro gay btw.



^^^^I don't think you can compare being gay, to being a murderer and taking someones life.
Being gay is seen a a sin by the church, but I'm sure God would see that as a lesser sin than killing somebody.

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Interesting point. I do understand it, but I do have to disagree. Mainly because I believe that it is not a sin to be gay, but it is to be a murderer ect. So I completely disagree with your logic because your two points are not connected on any way shape or form. Wat does being a murderer have anything to do with be being gay? They are not the dame thing. I will even take re
Igion out of the equation. Society tells us that murdering is wrong. Society doesn't tell us that being gay is wrong. (yes that can be argued, but my soceity is pro gay). Therefore, murder is a sin. Being gay is not. The two are not connected at all.

And no G-D did not create murderers because we have free will. Murders chose to murder, G-D doesn't make them murder. I am believe that being gay is not something you choose, therefore G-D created gays. Why would G-D create a sin? Of course, if you believe that being gay is a choice you will disagree with my point.

they have nothing to do with each other, thats completely true.

and i agree with you now,
god gave us free will, thats it.
and noo, being gay hardly is a choice, you are born gay if you ask me.

i now understand your point of view.. wasnt clear to me at first :)

Nope I'm definitely not against gay. But i don't know if i'm entirely pro gay. I'm definitely pro love and freedom of love and I'm all for gays getting married. It's just that according to my religion, being gay is a sin and i shouldn't support it. And i have heard so many different opinions as to why homosexuality is wrong/right that sometimes i get really confused. That's why all this is so complicating to me.

aw okay, i get it now :) just wanted to make sure i understand you right.

whats your.. religion? what exactly are you following?

im protestant and i woulndt consider my church as contra gay.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:17 PM

The problem is if people be born gay or not. There's no proof to say somebody was born gay. Scientifics want to figure this out, but I really doubt they will. It's not something you can choose, but it's something you get through the time, due to several factors: biological, social, emotional, etc. Plus, some scientifics claim that the murderers were born like that, if that's true they're not sinner neither. That's what I think

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:30 PM

The problem is if people be born gay or not. There's no proof to say somebody was born gay. Scientifics want to figure this out, but I really doubt they will. It's not something you can choose, but it's something you get through the time, due to several factors: biological, social, emotional, etc. Plus, some scientifics claim that the murderers were born like that, if that's true they're not sinner neither. That's what I think


yeah, I read an article about the discovering about a "gay" gene, but it still hasn't been proven. One thing is for sure though, I definitely don't think parents can affect the choice or the leaning or whatever. I think a lot of people have issues with gay parents adopting because "the kids will turn out gay". 1.)SO??? 2.)Um, not necessarily. Actually, a lot of kids of gay parents turn out straight, just like any other kid. It can't be influenced one way or another by the parents, it is something internal.
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 06:15 AM

I don't think it's right for us to speak for God. When people say, I know that God says this, He wants it this way - I say, I don't think we can't even begin to comprehend what God would want if He is so big. We definitely can't put words in His mouth so to speak; He is just so big and all knowing I don't think it's up to us to decide. You know? I could have phrased that better probably, but I'm exhauuuuusted.

So agree with you there. Has anyone actually spoken to God and heard him say that gay is wrong? No! I repeat myself by saying that old men 2000 years ago thought gay was wrong and so wrote texts or made up stories that eventually turned up in the Bible. Have some source criticism people! If you believe in your heart that homosexuality is wrong, I can respect that, but if it's because God (the Bible) "says" it's wrong, I really can't buy it.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 03:59 AM

Just wanted to raise a question to all of you saying that God wouldn't create gays if he hated them. If you believe that God is the creator of All, then he created gays. It also means he created "sins" and "evil" and "illness" and "diseases" and "bad luck" and "satan". The world is full of good and bad. God hates evil.. and sins.. and all that, yet it exists? Why does it exist then? You cannot base your theories upon the statement that God would not create that which he dislikes. It just doesn't make sense and is totally illogical.


As for homosexuality... i'm not gay. But if someone wants to be gay, who cares? I believe in freedom of right. Everyone can express themselves in whatever way they feel appropriate. It's not affecting me so whatever. There's more important issues to be focusing on than hating. Which is just what people LOVE. Whether its hating on gays, lesbians, particular religions or beliefs, "oversize" people, goths.. you name it. Who CARES. Go live your life and stop judging others on theirs because if you're religious and you believe in God, then you will also believe in the afterlife or judgement day or whatever you call it. And in THAT day.. He will decide who done what and what was wrong and who goes there. And trust me. When it comes to that, you'll probably be too worried about all the stuff you've done in your life, so imo people should worry about themselves, try and be good, and let everyone else be.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:39 PM

Hmmm just imagine that you created a plain, then someone does a hole in there; did you create the hole? Homosexuality is wrong front of God, therefore it's a sin; God didn't create the sin, because such thing it's a "hole". Make sense?



god is supposed to be omniscient, so surely he/she would have known that the hole would've been made, the same with homosexuality, right?

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